From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Daniel J. Sinder" Subject: Re: Re: remember template is slow Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 20:47:52 -0700 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1126359318==" Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=45651 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OXR2j-0004gx-RZ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 23:47:59 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OXR2f-0001kG-RI for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 23:47:57 -0400 Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.213.41]:65491) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OXR2f-0001kA-Nw for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 23:47:53 -0400 Received: by ywg8 with SMTP id 8so182293ywg.0 for ; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 20:47:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Richard Riley Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --===============1126359318== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b801e4fc9e0048b00623a --0016363b801e4fc9e0048b00623a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Richard Riley wrote: > "Daniel J. Sinder" writes: > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Buck Brody wrote: > > > > I'm finding that my remember templates are slow to load. I've got > > a lag of about three to four seconds. I know that doesn't sound > > like much, but it's kind of puts a kink > > What does "remember templates are slow to load" mean in this context? > You mean when you want to enter any new remember item or only the first > one? Any delay is normally once only when org is initialised. > > Another thing to look at which crucified my erc (irc client for emacs) > performance was flyspell - I had to remove it from my erc setup. > > > in the workflow. I use GNU emacs on Windows. I also have cygwin > installed, and I have noticed that the problem doesn't occur when using > cygwin. Any ideas? > > > > For what it's worth, I've also had this problem for a while now. > However, I *do* use emacs w/ cygwin: > > Windows XP (w/ Cygwin) > > GNU Emacs 23.2.1 > > Org-mode version 6.36trans (release_6.36.453.g0cd4) > > > > I suspect (for no particular reason other than disdain for Windows) that > it is related to poor file system (NTFS) access speeds. For example, maybe > org is trying to open > > several files to look for TODO keywords and/or tags? > > What makes you think ntfs would be a bottle neck? Bringing religious > wars into help discussions is rarely productive and better kept to the > advocacy groups ;) People use org on pretty much all mainstream OSen. > > > > > Dan > > Actually, I should have been more explicit -- I use emacs and org *exclusively* on Windows (via cygwin). In fact, for years now, I exclusively use Windows as far as operating systems go. However, not being an OS expert, but just a user, I am frequently frustrated by file access speeds. I have heard (just water-cooler talk) that as the registry gets bloated over time, NTFS file access slows, having something to do with frequent checks of the registry prior to file access. Originally, I didn't feel I understood the issue well enough to claim this as a legitimate reason in this forum. But, seeing your (over)reaction, perhaps I should have explained myself better. Did I bring a religious war into the discussion? No, I most certainly did not. I didn't mention any other OS's, nor make comparisons between OS's. Rather, I suggested a possible cause (slow NTFS file access) for the problem that others and myself are seeing with org on Windows. I followed that with a question about whether org is trying to open several files when calling remember, to see if that would lead to a proper diagnosis of the problem. How did you contribute to the conversation? I didn't bring up OS comparisons -- you did! Now I know org is used on all OSen. Thanks! If you have nothing to contribute to this topic, and can't help solve my problem, then I suggest you reserve your accusations for an appropriate forum. Dan --0016363b801e4fc9e0048b00623a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Richard = Riley <rileyrg@gm= ail.com> wrote:
"Daniel J. Sinder" <daniel@sindercity.com> writes:

> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Buck Brody <buckbrody@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> =A0 =A0 I'm finding that my remember templates are slow to load. = =A0I've got
> =A0 =A0 a lag of about three to four seconds. =A0I know that doesn'= ;t sound
> =A0 =A0 like much, but it's kind of puts a kink

What does "remember templates are slow to load" mean in thi= s context?
You mean when you want to enter any new remember item or only the first
one? Any delay is normally once only when org is initialised.

Another thing to look at which crucified my erc (irc client for emacs)
performance was flyspell - I had to remove it from my erc setup.

> =A0 =A0 in the workflow. =A0I use GNU emacs on Windows. =A0I also have= cygwin installed, and I have noticed that the problem doesn't occur wh= en using cygwin. =A0Any ideas?
>
> For what it's worth, I've also had this problem for a while no= w.=A0 However, I *do* use emacs w/ cygwin:
> Windows XP (w/ Cygwin)
> GNU Emacs 23.2.1
> Org-mode version 6.36trans (release_6.36.453.g0cd4)
>
> I suspect (for no particular reason other than disdain for Windows) th= at it is related to poor file system (NTFS) access speeds.=A0 For example, = maybe org is trying to open
> several files to look for TODO keywords and/or tags?

What makes you think ntfs would be a bottle neck? Bringing religious<= br> wars into help discussions is rarely productive and better kept to the
advocacy groups ;) People use org on pretty much all mainstream OSen.

>
> Dan


Actually, I should have been more explicit -- I u= se emacs and org *exclusively* on Windows (via cygwin).=A0 In fact, for yea= rs now, I exclusively use Windows as far as operating systems go.=A0 Howeve= r, not being an OS expert, but just a user, I am frequently frustrated by f= ile access speeds.=A0 I have heard (just water-cooler talk) that as the reg= istry gets bloated over time, NTFS file access slows, having something to d= o with frequent checks of the registry prior to file access.=A0 Originally,= I didn't feel I understood the issue well enough to claim this as a le= gitimate reason in this forum.=A0 But, seeing your (over)reaction, perhaps = I should have explained myself better.

Did I bring a religious war into the discussion?=A0 No, I most certainl= y did not.=A0 I didn't mention any other OS's, nor make comparisons= between OS's.=A0 Rather, I suggested a possible cause (slow NTFS file = access) for the problem that others and myself are seeing with org on Windo= ws.=A0 I followed that with a question about whether org is trying to open = several files when calling remember, to see if that would lead to a proper = diagnosis of the problem.

How did you contribute to the conversation?=A0 I didn't bring up OS= comparisons -- you did!=A0 Now I know org is used on all OSen.=A0 Thanks!= =A0 If you have nothing to contribute to this topic, and can't help sol= ve my problem, then I suggest you reserve your accusations for an appropria= te forum.

Dan
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