From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: Re: Support (or not) for Emacs 21, and XEmacs Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 22:31:12 +0200 Message-ID: References: <15649C3E-517D-433D-977F-06008C20A4F4@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1O3Efj-0000cX-P5 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:31:23 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=57189 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O3Efi-0000bi-9x for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:31:23 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O3Efc-0006lw-Hn for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:31:22 -0400 Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.150]:10473) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O3Efc-0006ld-BF for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:31:16 -0400 Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so233717eyg.34 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:31:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Michael Sperber Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On Apr 17, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Michael Sperber wrote: > > Carsten Dominik writes: > >> If you object to such a development, please step into this >> discussion. > > I do - I'm an avoid org-mode user, an XEmacs maintainer. and I'd be > happy to help support XEmacs, if that would help change your mind. Hi Michael, how nice to get a reaction after all (you are the first). First let me say that I have been a big XEmacs user for many years. One of my bigger packages (IDLWAVE) was mostly developed under XEmacs. I did start using XEmacs at a time when it was clearly the better System. However, I have recently more and more the feeling how having to cater for several Emacs versions is a drag. The time I can devote to this project (Org-mode) is becoming less, not more. And I have to keep up with a system that generates 40 mailing list mails a day, and not infrequently 10 commits on a single day. I need to streamline, not to waste time. My impression is that Emacs right now has so much more momentum, and keeping the compatibility code seems unnecessary. I have written and maintained compatible code for all my packages over 2 decades. but I am not sure it makes sense anymore. My feeling was also that the interest in the XEmacs side for Org-mode is low. To my knowledge there is no Org-mode package for XEmacs, and the number of user on the mailing list seems to be very limited. So let me start with a question: Is XEmacs still alive, innovative? There has been no major release (it seems to me) for a very long time. It was my feeling that the XEmacs project is on its way to a slow death. I may be wrong about this. You propose to help. One way to go would be to continue a branch based on Org-mode 6.35, and to merge any new stuff into that branch. So a dedicated XEmacs-related person could keep such an XEmacs. In my test branch where I remove compatibility code (not only XEmacs, but also Emacs 21, and I'd love to ditch support for Emacs 22 - even though I cannot do that just yet), quite some code has changed, and I am not sure how easy it would be to keep a compatibility branch up to date. I am interested in a discussion, but I am not sure where it will lead. - Carsten > > --=20 > Cheers =3D8-} Mike > Friede, V=F6lkerverst=E4ndigung und =FCberhaupt blabla > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode - Carsten