Editing folded headlines and ellipses

Editing folded headlines and ellipses

[Suvayu Ali]

Hi Bastien and others,

I remember someone (maybe Bastien) putting in a safeguard quite sometime
back that would unfold a headline with a warning when you tried to edit
near the ellipses.  This was to protect against accidental edits.  I see
this not there anymore, can we have it back?

I tried looking for the thread/patch but couldn't find it.

Hope this helps,

PS: Patchwork seems to be down.

-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

Re: Editing folded headlines and ellipses

[Bastien]

Hi Suvayu,

Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com> writes:

> I remember someone (maybe Bastien) putting in a safeguard quite sometime
> back that would unfold a headline with a warning when you tried to edit
> near the ellipses.  This was to protect against accidental edits.  I see
> this not there anymore, can we have it back?

You mean `org-catch-invisible-edits'?  It's still here...

HTH,

-- 
 Bastien

Re: Editing folded headlines and ellipses

[Suvayu Ali]

Hi Bastien,

On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:34:26AM +0100, Bastien wrote:
> Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > I remember someone (maybe Bastien) putting in a safeguard quite sometime
> > back that would unfold a headline with a warning when you tried to edit
> > near the ellipses.  This was to protect against accidental edits.  I see
> > this not there anymore, can we have it back?
> 
> You mean `org-catch-invisible-edits'?  It's still here...

Ah, I missed it since I did not have that variable set.  Thanks and
sorry for the noise.

Cheers,

-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

Re: Editing folded headlines and ellipses

[Darlan Cavalcante Moreira]

That is another nice feature of org-mode I didn't know about.
I set the variable to 'error now..

Any reason why nil is the default?

At Sun, 10 Mar 2013 10:57:15 +0100,
Suvayu Ali wrote:
> 
> Hi Bastien,
> 
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:34:26AM +0100, Bastien wrote:
> > Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com> writes:
> > 
> > > I remember someone (maybe Bastien) putting in a safeguard quite sometime
> > > back that would unfold a headline with a warning when you tried to edit
> > > near the ellipses.  This was to protect against accidental edits.  I see
> > > this not there anymore, can we have it back?
> > 
> > You mean `org-catch-invisible-edits'?  It's still here...
> 
> Ah, I missed it since I did not have that variable set.  Thanks and
> sorry for the noise.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> -- 
> Suvayu
> 
> Open source is the future. It sets us free.
> 

Re: Editing folded headlines and ellipses

[Bastien]

Hi Darlan,

Darlan Cavalcante Moreira <darcamo@gmail.com> writes:

> That is another nice feature of org-mode I didn't know about.

I just documented it in the manual, thanks!

> I set the variable to 'error now..
>
> Any reason why nil is the default?

IMO setting it to non-nil would be too intrusive for
most users.

-- 
 Bastien

Re: Editing folded headlines and ellipses

[Darlan Cavalcante Moreira]

At Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:45:27 +0100,
Bastien wrote:
> 
> Hi Darlan,
> 
> Darlan Cavalcante Moreira <darcamo@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > That is another nice feature of org-mode I didn't know about.
> 
> I just documented it in the manual, thanks!
> 
> > I set the variable to 'error now..
> >
> > Any reason why nil is the default?
> 
> IMO setting it to non-nil would be too intrusive for
> most users.

That is true, but in this case I think it is a good thing, specially for
new users. I have edited some invisible part by mistake in the past, but
because I saw my mistake I could undo until the buffer was not marked as
modified anymore (I save a lot, therefore this was enough). Nowadays I'm
always careful to avoid this, but having org-mode do that for me gives me
some piece of mind that I won't mess with my precious org-mode files by
mistake..

In my case I don't think I'll ever need to edit invisible text by hand. The
only time I edit invisible text is when performing some search and
replacement in some region containing folded subtrees (or in the whole
buffer), but this works even org-catch-invisible-edits is set to error,
which is great for me.

I don't know which option would be a better default, but I think nil is not
the one (unless there is some performance loss I didn't see due to the
check).

--
Darlan

> 
> -- 
>  Bastien

Should org-catch-invisible-edits default to non-nil? (was: Editing folded headlines and ellipses)

[Bastien]

Hi Darlan,

Mhh... yes, I see.

I'm not against changing the default for `org-catch-invisible-edits'
but I'd like to know what other contributors think.

So here it is: what do you guys think the defauld should be?

Thanks,

-- 
 Bastien

Re: Should org-catch-invisible-edits default to non-nil? (was: Editing folded headlines and ellipses)

[Marcin Borkowski]

Dnia 2013-03-12, o godz. 15:21:53
Bastien <bzg@altern.org> napisał(a):

> Hi Darlan,
> 
> Mhh... yes, I see.
> 
> I'm not against changing the default for `org-catch-invisible-edits'
> but I'd like to know what other contributors think.
> 
> So here it is: what do you guys think the defauld should be?

I'm not (yet?) a contributor, just a simpleton user, but for me: nil is
a bad idea here.

> Thanks,

Best,

-- 
Marcin Borkowski
http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski
Adam Mickiewicz University

Re: Should org-catch-invisible-edits default to non-nil? (was: Editing folded headlines and ellipses)

[Carsten Dominik]

On 12.3.2013, at 15:21, Bastien <bzg@altern.org> wrote:

> Hi Darlan,
> 
> Mhh... yes, I see.
> 
> I'm not against changing the default for `org-catch-invisible-edits'
> but I'd like to know what other contributors think.
> 
> So here it is: what do you guys think the defauld should be?

I think the default should be nil.  Org-mode is also a basic text mode, and I think it should not deviate too much from other modes.

I think better advertising this might be all that is needed.

- Carsten

Re: Should org-catch-invisible-edits default to non-nil? (was: Editing folded headlines and ellipses)

[Suvayu Ali]

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 03:21:53PM +0100, Bastien wrote:
> 
> I'm not against changing the default for `org-catch-invisible-edits'
> but I'd like to know what other contributors think.
> 
> So here it is: what do you guys think the defauld should be?

Although I set it to 'show, I still think the default should be nil.  My
reasoning is simple; the alternatives are too many and too varied.

Cheers,

-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

Re: Editing folded headlines and ellipses

[Bastien]

Okay, let's stick to nil as the default value for
`org-catch-invisible-edits' -- it is now documented in
the manual, which is good enough IMO.

Thanks,

-- 
 Bastien