From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Alexander Poslavsky Subject: Re: org-mode tutorial questionaire Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:04:43 +0100 Message-ID: <99A2E2E8-6334-4148-9E65-CDCE2B99EF3F@gmail.com> References: <87bpeesu45.fsf@fastmail.fm> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NuALO-00024R-Po for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:04:54 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=37885 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NuALI-00021c-Rx for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:04:54 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NuALG-0000uc-JR for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:04:48 -0400 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.158]:22848) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NuALG-0000uS-Dg for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:04:46 -0400 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so680630fgb.12 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:04:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87bpeesu45.fsf@fastmail.fm> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode On Mar 23, 2010, at 8:42 PM, Matt Lundin wrote: > Hi Alex, >=20 > Alexander Poslavsky writes: >=20 >> There is a new tutorial on worg: = http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/ >> org4beginners.php. The idea is to write a tutorial for somebody who = is >> new to org-mode. > ... >> For everybody: >> -What kind of tutorial would be the most useful?=20 >> -What in your experience people find confusing? >=20 > Thanks for taking the time to put this on Worg. I wish I had had such = a > concise summary of the various flavors of emacs on different platforms > when I started exploring org-mode. >=20 > I was wondering if you could elaborate on the following. Are you > suggesting that new users should never use M-x customize? Well, I don't know about anybody else, but I *never* use it. I think it = is awful. But then, what do I know=85. >=20 > ,---- > | The biggest pain, when you just begin with Emacs, is the = configuration. > | There is not really a menu for it (you might later hear there is, = but > | they are lying, that menu is really there to trap innocent people), = you > | need to edit a text-file. > `---- >=20 > A few comments: >=20 > 1. Some of the "step-by-step" instructions might be a bit easier to > follow in list format (rather than paragraphs). Hmm, I see your point, but having a tutorial that is just a bunch of = lists looks really ugly. Off course if people don't understand it, it's = not good either. Let's see if more complaints follow on this. >=20 > 2. If I were reading the tutorial for the first time, I might conclude > that I had to place "#-*- mode: org -*-" at the top of all my org > files, even after configuring auto-mode-alist. fixed, added a note about that. >=20 > 3. Why C-x b 2.org --> M-x org-mode --> C-x C-s as the recommended > workflow? Once the configuration file is set up, C-x C-f 2.org will > bring one right into org-mode. As far as I can see, that is actually what the doc says: Save the file (*C-x s*) as 2.org, and you will notice that the colors change, syntax highlighting is turned on, and Emacs understands you are working in org-mode. but if it is not clear, let me know what paragraph you are refering to. >=20 > Thanks again for all the work you've put into this. >=20 > Best, > Matt >=20 and thank you for your remarks! alex=