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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1622930503; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=mvCbD4wDPb8zkfcLHXYbi32GH5DD9f4ktaDAgIdeP9M=; b=NR8LWom6Rki+ksGDwuSvUTxjix+50sYBe5ZHiPzs8l9aQwn3AEkgPTUBCzptgZHTGBoDZo Tqba0xH1Hnin0vzG1/qr9zOMq59bqKTnF1PTS2Df5OQ0YN4xbeFreCnAgoHEq6ztLE2Tl/ M42jsdhYOa1sqcdkm48eQRjdAwASs0SF0pAlWhEvkcCk1fmwRN5cYY24VR9AEDAt+gmw/g qZIUUPOKMjZRnSJKBri4GaLuxYwSNUpb/ksMgCBaz0CslVFKG9609JlCpjIUauiGD9TvbH TFBZuV8zvznKPA+f4+1vCn1uqZZ0uHtGIO9f//2tvm508dPnR7yKvd+2MGd5+A== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1622930503; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Znm9m1tmfTNC9HXe300xS5BQ95U3MOrllyJQCDJ/gYHwFe2BMbaC7vNeWIK6MYdWHdCAid MQmFT64WnV+brRfOHRrqqqpOYa5LV1CZF+yyXubDBtqyZ90ArYboV4xK2fj7sAY+nrqiTQ Xin0GVvPU9bbrfZ7s3Rgshlka6hMdWBWakDWKE2taKJphGDfm2gkjWFiWu7MYHxkwCgmxj 9nOHOBu5WF7VbT/s/8wcJiv9ydGMXoldr/Ax0cMRuTfryrIPOWe4SVgyJdMINks/ws0Ssp AdA+nV1smx9RfMz0/G8jXH3v/yOmUTQMHuzDi1l2ua7YCCdxog9CEub+fRAxrQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=o3vqAigM; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=Uerzu4t2; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.63 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=o3vqAigM; dkim=pass header.d=mailbox.org header.s=mail20150812 header.b=Uerzu4t2; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=mailbox.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 84057B56B X-Spam-Score: -1.63 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: FLIuIVElJqQ2 Hi, Am 05.06.2021 um 23:45 schrieb Bruce D'Arcus: > On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 5:35 PM Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > >> Getting back to this thread… I'd like to see it moving forward. > Yes. This is the last missing piece I see! Yes, good this is coming. > >> You lost me here. Punctuation moving was implemented with notes cites in >> mind (much like Pandoc, I think). > Correct. And also biblatex. > >> More exactly, punctuation shuffling >> may happen whenever a cite turns into a footnote. For any other case, >> the author is expected to place the cite object manually. So, the >> automation does not apply to blockquotes, in the sense that inline >> quotes or blockquotes use the same location for footnotes. > I guess to bottomline it, see the link that Denis provided, including > to the end with footnotes. > > https://writingcenter.uagc.edu/block-quotations > > I haven't tested the punctuation moving for this specifically, but it > would suggest a user would place this in a blockquote: > > ... end of sentence. [cite:@doe] > > ... and the result should remove the space for a footnote. > > ... end of sentence.[1] > > I don't know how quotes work here, but perhaps there's no difference. Denis? As as English and German are concerned, I think there is no difference between the two, yes. OTOH, French may be again different as the footnote marker may appear before the final punctuation. ... end of sentence[1]. Denis