* Re: Org-mode 'organized' visibility [not found] <20060823131338.GA32711@zoidberg.homeip.net> @ 2006-08-24 6:28 ` Carsten Dominik 2006-08-24 20:17 ` Eddward DeVilla 0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2006-08-24 6:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Casper Gripenberg; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Hi Caspar, On Aug 23, 2006, at 15:13, Casper Gripenberg wrote: > Hi..is it possible to not make S-TAB collapse > empty spaces between items. If I have a long > list of items I like to organize them into > groups..and then when I collapse the whole > tree I'd like my groupings it to be visible like this: > > * Tasks... > > * Something important... > * Something related to above... > > * Something else not related... > * Again related... > * Related... > > * Not related... > > Instead of the current way: > > * Tasks... > * Something important... > * Something related to above... > * Something else not related... > * Again related... > * Related... > * Not related... > > ..which doesn't allow me to see the groupings > between the tasks I have. I just think grouping provides > much quicker visual feedback of the tasks/headlines and > their relations to each other. > > To implement the groupings you might have a rule that > more than two empty lines between two headings will > then activate 'grouping'. > > So if I have: > > * Important > > Blah blah > > * Related > > Blah blah > > > * Not related > > This would collapse into: > > * Important... > * Related... > > * Not related... > > Or something along those lines..is that possible to > do somehow? > > Thanks.. > > Regards, > Casper This is something outside the direct control of Org-mode, it is entirely done by outline-mode. Looking at outline.el, I see two possibilities to address this: 1. For this first one, you need a current version of Emacs (must be CVS, Emacs 21 does not have this). Outline has an undocumented feature which makes it possible to relate an empty line before a heading to the heading. So when the heading is shown, the empty line is shows along with it. Similarly, a subtree is then defined to be before that empty line. As I said, this is an undocumented feature in so far as the corresponding variable is not customizable. However, you can still set it in the old way using (setq outline-blank-line t) If you do it in this way, there will be no difference between a single or a double empty line. An empty line before a heading will create an empty line in the CONTENT and CHILDREN views of org-cycle. 2. If we insist on your convention on using two line to mark a separation (we should, because it is the better convention), you would have to redefine a function in outline. This is not clean, but who gives a s*** :-) And I like this convention better, because I very often want to have an empty line above a headline without it meaning a separation. The function to modify is outline-show-heading, and it must be modified after outline.el has been loaded. If you are only using outline in connection with Org-mode, here is a way to do this: (add-hook 'org-load-hook (lambda () (defun outline-show-heading () "Show the current heading and move to its end." (outline-flag-region (- (point) (cond ((bobp) 0) ((equal (buffer-substring (max (point-min) (- (point) 3)) (point)) "\n\n\n") 2) (t 1))) (progn (outline-end-of-heading) (point)) nil)))) If you want this for other uses of outline as well, you could use `eval-after-load' or defadvice to achieve this change. There is a small possibility that doing either of these things might break something else in org-mode. I don't think so, but maybe I am not overseeing it fully. If you see something strange, let me know. Hope this helps. - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Org-mode 'organized' visibility 2006-08-24 6:28 ` Org-mode 'organized' visibility Carsten Dominik @ 2006-08-24 20:17 ` Eddward DeVilla 2006-08-25 7:01 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread From: Eddward DeVilla @ 2006-08-24 20:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: Casper Gripenberg, emacs-orgmode I don't know if I'm following or not. I think I get the grouping you are after. If trailing blank line are empty it does not collapse into the text for a heading. If it is blank, but contains white space character, it does collapse. So I am able to do the following ------ * heading I have something to say <space or tab> *heading 2 I have more to say * unrelated heading Now for something completely different ------ And this will collapse down to ------ * heading * heading 2 * unrelated heading ------ Along these lines, I used to wish for something like a horizontal line that I could throw in between 'sections'. For the moment, I have a layout style that looks fine without it and without playing too many games with trailing blank (but not empty) lines. On 8/24/06, Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> wrote: > Hi Caspar, > > On Aug 23, 2006, at 15:13, Casper Gripenberg wrote: > > > Hi..is it possible to not make S-TAB collapse > > empty spaces between items. If I have a long > > list of items I like to organize them into > > groups..and then when I collapse the whole > > tree I'd like my groupings it to be visible like this: > > > > * Tasks... > > > > * Something important... > > * Something related to above... > > > > * Something else not related... > > * Again related... > > * Related... > > > > * Not related... > > > > Instead of the current way: > > > > * Tasks... > > * Something important... > > * Something related to above... > > * Something else not related... > > * Again related... > > * Related... > > * Not related... > > > > ..which doesn't allow me to see the groupings > > between the tasks I have. I just think grouping provides > > much quicker visual feedback of the tasks/headlines and > > their relations to each other. > > > > To implement the groupings you might have a rule that > > more than two empty lines between two headings will > > then activate 'grouping'. > > > > So if I have: > > > > * Important > > > > Blah blah > > > > * Related > > > > Blah blah > > > > > > * Not related > > > > This would collapse into: > > > > * Important... > > * Related... > > > > * Not related... > > > > Or something along those lines..is that possible to > > do somehow? > > > > Thanks.. > > > > Regards, > > Casper > > This is something outside the direct control of Org-mode, it is > entirely done by outline-mode. Looking at outline.el, I see two > possibilities to address this: > > 1. For this first one, you need a current version of Emacs (must be > CVS, Emacs 21 does not have this). Outline has an undocumented feature > which makes it possible to relate an empty line before a heading to the > heading. So when the heading is shown, the empty line is shows along > with it. Similarly, a subtree is then defined to be before that empty > line. As I said, this is an undocumented feature in so far as the > corresponding variable is not customizable. However, you can still set > it in the old way using > > (setq outline-blank-line t) > > If you do it in this way, there will be no difference between a single > or a double empty line. An empty line before a heading will create an > empty line in the CONTENT and CHILDREN views of org-cycle. > > 2. If we insist on your convention on using two line to mark a > separation (we should, because it is the better convention), you would > have to redefine a function in outline. This is not clean, but who > gives a s*** :-) And I like this convention better, because I very > often want to have an empty line above a headline without it meaning a > separation. > > The function to modify is outline-show-heading, and it must be modified > after outline.el has been loaded. If you are only using outline in > connection with Org-mode, here is a way to do this: > > (add-hook 'org-load-hook > (lambda () > (defun outline-show-heading () > "Show the current heading and move to its end." > (outline-flag-region > (- (point) > (cond > ((bobp) 0) > ((equal (buffer-substring > (max (point-min) (- (point) 3)) (point)) > "\n\n\n") > 2) > (t 1))) > (progn (outline-end-of-heading) (point)) > nil)))) > > If you want this for other uses of outline as well, you could use > `eval-after-load' or defadvice to achieve this change. > > There is a small possibility that doing either of these things might > break something else in org-mode. I don't think so, but maybe I am not > overseeing it fully. If you see something strange, let me know. > > Hope this helps. > > - Carsten > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Org-mode 'organized' visibility 2006-08-24 20:17 ` Eddward DeVilla @ 2006-08-25 7:01 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2006-08-25 7:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eddward DeVilla; +Cc: Casper Gripenberg, emacs-orgmode This is again different behavior on Emacs 21 and Emacs 22. What I have been describing was Emacs 22 behavior. It seems that the Emacs 21 behavior is about the same as Emacs 22 with outline-blank-lines set to t. - Carsten On Aug 24, 2006, at 22:17, Eddward DeVilla wrote: > I don't know if I'm following or not. I think I get the grouping you > are after. If trailing blank line are empty it does not collapse into > the text for a heading. If it is blank, but contains white space > character, it does collapse. > > So I am able to do the following > > ------ > * heading > I have something to say > <space or tab> > *heading 2 > I have more to say > > * unrelated heading > Now for something completely different > > ------ > > And this will collapse down to > > ------ > * heading > * heading 2 > > * unrelated heading > > ------ > > Along these lines, I used to wish for something like a horizontal line > that I could throw in between 'sections'. For the moment, I have a > layout style that looks fine without it and without playing too many > games with trailing blank (but not empty) lines. > > On 8/24/06, Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> wrote: >> Hi Caspar, >> >> On Aug 23, 2006, at 15:13, Casper Gripenberg wrote: >> >> > Hi..is it possible to not make S-TAB collapse >> > empty spaces between items. If I have a long >> > list of items I like to organize them into >> > groups..and then when I collapse the whole >> > tree I'd like my groupings it to be visible like this: >> > >> > * Tasks... >> > >> > * Something important... >> > * Something related to above... >> > >> > * Something else not related... >> > * Again related... >> > * Related... >> > >> > * Not related... >> > >> > Instead of the current way: >> > >> > * Tasks... >> > * Something important... >> > * Something related to above... >> > * Something else not related... >> > * Again related... >> > * Related... >> > * Not related... >> > >> > ..which doesn't allow me to see the groupings >> > between the tasks I have. I just think grouping provides >> > much quicker visual feedback of the tasks/headlines and >> > their relations to each other. >> > >> > To implement the groupings you might have a rule that >> > more than two empty lines between two headings will >> > then activate 'grouping'. >> > >> > So if I have: >> > >> > * Important >> > >> > Blah blah >> > >> > * Related >> > >> > Blah blah >> > >> > >> > * Not related >> > >> > This would collapse into: >> > >> > * Important... >> > * Related... >> > >> > * Not related... >> > >> > Or something along those lines..is that possible to >> > do somehow? >> > >> > Thanks.. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Casper >> >> This is something outside the direct control of Org-mode, it is >> entirely done by outline-mode. Looking at outline.el, I see two >> possibilities to address this: >> >> 1. For this first one, you need a current version of Emacs (must be >> CVS, Emacs 21 does not have this). Outline has an undocumented >> feature >> which makes it possible to relate an empty line before a heading to >> the >> heading. So when the heading is shown, the empty line is shows along >> with it. Similarly, a subtree is then defined to be before that empty >> line. As I said, this is an undocumented feature in so far as the >> corresponding variable is not customizable. However, you can still >> set >> it in the old way using >> >> (setq outline-blank-line t) >> >> If you do it in this way, there will be no difference between a single >> or a double empty line. An empty line before a heading will create an >> empty line in the CONTENT and CHILDREN views of org-cycle. >> >> 2. If we insist on your convention on using two line to mark a >> separation (we should, because it is the better convention), you would >> have to redefine a function in outline. This is not clean, but who >> gives a s*** :-) And I like this convention better, because I very >> often want to have an empty line above a headline without it meaning a >> separation. >> >> The function to modify is outline-show-heading, and it must be >> modified >> after outline.el has been loaded. If you are only using outline in >> connection with Org-mode, here is a way to do this: >> >> (add-hook 'org-load-hook >> (lambda () >> (defun outline-show-heading () >> "Show the current heading and move to its end." >> (outline-flag-region >> (- (point) >> (cond >> ((bobp) 0) >> ((equal (buffer-substring >> (max (point-min) (- (point) 3)) (point)) >> "\n\n\n") >> 2) >> (t 1))) >> (progn (outline-end-of-heading) (point)) >> nil)))) >> >> If you want this for other uses of outline as well, you could use >> `eval-after-load' or defadvice to achieve this change. >> >> There is a small possibility that doing either of these things might >> break something else in org-mode. I don't think so, but maybe I am >> not >> overseeing it fully. If you see something strange, let me know. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> - Carsten >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> > > -- Carsten Dominik Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek" Universiteit van Amsterdam Kruislaan 403 NL-1098SJ Amsterdam phone: +31 20 525 7477 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
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