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[77.224.72.126]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l9-20020a1c7909000000b00401b242e2e6sm8456312wme.47.2023.10.07.06.40.49 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 07 Oct 2023 06:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1qBkgg587Jcd3X324GDRPwc4" Message-ID: <8ba636d2-7fd6-784c-75c7-128645343133@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2023 15:35:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.15.0 Subject: Re: [FR] A more general case than footnotes Content-Language: en-GB To: Ihor Radchenko Cc: Org-mode References: <6afd51ff-0163-e43e-af2d-4b7129cc6734@gmail.com> <87fs2mznxd.fsf@localhost> <87y1gey3e2.fsf@localhost> From: Maske In-Reply-To: <87y1gey3e2.fsf@localhost> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::435; envelope-from=maske1foro@gmail.com; helo=mail-wr1-x435.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -26 X-Spam_score: -2.7 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.644, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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And maybe there could work directly commands like "org-footnote-action", being unneeded to create new commands like "org-note-action" with almost the same functionality. > >> I don't understand the option of "include", but I think it wouldn't be >> the case. > Seehttps://orgmode.org/manual/Include-Files.html Thanks, I save it. > >> I really think footnotes would be a particular case of this option. >> >> ** Reference in file A >> :PROPERTIES: >> :ID:       978-84-362-7195-9 >> :END: >> >> ... >> A “comment line” starts with a hash character (#) >> *[n:102@978-84-362-7195-9]* and either a whitespace character or the >> immediate end of the line. >> ... >> >> >> ** Notes in file B >> >> *[n:102@978-84-362-7195-9]* The hash character is important in orgmode. > May you explain the purpose of @978-84-... part? > You seem to assume that a footnote always has a single reference, > which may or may not be the case in practice. If there would be more than one reference, a behavior like that of footnotes would be appropriate? The purpose of the @978-84-... part: @978-84-362-7195-9 would work like the ID for internal links: [[id:978-84-362-7195-9]]. That would allow jumping to the correct heading from any file. I am not a programmer, so the syntax I am sure could be more solid. Example: ** Reference in file A :PROPERTIES: :ID:       978-84-362-7195-9 :END: ... A “comment line” starts with a hash character (#) [n:102@978-84-362-7195-9] and either a whitespace character or the immediate end of the line. ... ** Notes in file B [[id:978-84-362-7195-9]]: Link to heading in file A [n:102@978-84-362-7195-9]: Link to an exact point in file A. Where the point is defined by the LABEL 102, and the file can be find thanks to the ID 978-84-362-7195-9 --------------1qBkgg587Jcd3X324GDRPwc4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


On 07/10/2023 15:21, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
Maske <maske1foro@gmail.com> writes:


The headings could be in different files, yes.

AFAIK, citations don't link two exact points. Footnotes do.

Do you mean that you also want to jump back-and-forth between footnote
definition in the another file and its footnote references?


Right: With C-c.

And maybe there could work directly commands like "org-footnote-action", being unneeded to create new commands like "org-note-action" with almost the same functionality.




I don't understand the option of "include", but I think it wouldn't be 
the case.

See https://orgmode.org/manual/Include-Files.html
Thanks, I save it.


I really think footnotes would be a particular case of this option.

** Reference in file A
:PROPERTIES:
:ID:       978-84-362-7195-9
:END:

...
A “comment line” starts with a hash character (#)
*[n:102@978-84-362-7195-9]* and either a whitespace character or the
immediate end of the line.
...


** Notes in file B

*[n:102@978-84-362-7195-9]* The hash character is important in orgmode.

May you explain the purpose of @978-84-... part?
You seem to assume that a footnote always has a single reference,
which may or may not be the case in practice.


If there would be more than one reference, a behavior like that of footnotes would be appropriate?
The purpose of the @978-84-... part:
@978-84-362-7195-9 would work like the ID for internal links: [[id:978-84-362-7195-9]]. That would allow jumping to the correct heading from any file. 
I am not a programmer, so the syntax I am sure could be more solid.  Example:


** Reference in file A
:PROPERTIES:
:ID:       978-84-362-7195-9
:END:
...
A “comment line” starts with a hash character (#) [n:102@978-84-362-7195-9] and either a whitespace character or the immediate end of the line.
...


** Notes in file B
[[id:978-84-362-7195-9]]: Link to heading in file A

[n:102@978-84-362-7195-9]: Link to an exact point in file A. Where the point is defined by the LABEL 102, and the file can be find thanks to the ID 978-84-362-7195-9
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