From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: cezar Subject: Re: list indentation Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 00:00:54 -0800 Message-ID: <87zlu99r61.fsf@mixandgo.ro> References: <41c818190802091345n5a49e5f2p23f50186144c33f3@mail.gmail.com> <41c818190802091450g6226c7abp86ad56eb09e8f2b1@mail.gmail.com> <41c818190802091709r68e36eeq1e42df06c6d8673c@mail.gmail.com> <41c818190802092047m5bc8cc8axaa3260aeacde2b7f@mail.gmail.com> <8876EF42-3A2C-4BA7-A06A-E3087EFDFE4D@science.uva.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JO77m-0005hS-UY for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:01:18 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JO77l-0005g0-56 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:01:17 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JO77l-0005fu-2a for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:01:17 -0500 Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JO77k-0002uM-AQ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:01:16 -0500 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JO77h-0003t5-Vd for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:01:14 -0500 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JO77Z-0006rJ-TE for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:01:06 +0000 Received: from c-76-21-40-194.hsd1.ca.comcast.net ([76.21.40.194]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:01:05 +0000 Received: from cezar by c-76-21-40-194.hsd1.ca.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:01:05 +0000 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Personally I do like: - this way of indenting a long line that extends to more than one line So an idea that comes to mind is, how about disabling indentation for lists and have a special way of editing a list item like so: - have your list content here up to a point where you press and that indents your next line (or pointer) So pressing just TAB in a list content won't have any effect. Hope that helps. Regards, Cezar Carsten Dominik writes: > Hi Everyone, > > I am personally not fond of separators, and we must be sure what > their purpose is. As a means of terminating a list for export > and folding, you can use empty lines when setting the variable > `org-empty-line-terminates-plain-lists' discovered by Will. > Or any text that is no linger indented behind the bullet marker. > > But if I understand correctly, this is really about indentation and > about M-q paragraph wrapping. > > I have thought about how to make aragraph wrapping to respect the > indentation of a line after a plain list item and failed. I cannot > figure it out. > > For paragraph wrapping we would really need a separator, and then we > would need to add this separator to the regular expressions in > `paragraph-start' and `paragraph-separate', obscure pieces of the > Emacs formatting which do not work really consistent between different > commands fill-paragraph and fill-region). EIther that, or I am not > really able to comprehend how this works. > > About indentation, there are other possible conventions one could use. > Right now, TAB will indent a line under a plain list item to beyond > the item bullet. Independent of the current indentation. So it will > indent lines with low indentation, and outdent lines with too large > indentations. > > One could have different conventions. For example, we could do this: > In the line after a plain list item: > - when the indentation is 0 or when the line is empty, make TAB indent > to under the line before, as if you intended to continue the item. > - when the line is not empty and already indented, keep that > indentation. > > I am not sure if that would be seen as more consistent and stable, up > for discussion. > > - Carsten > > On Feb 10, 2008, at 6:05 AM, Eddward DeVilla wrote: > >> On Feb 9, 2008 10:47 PM, William Henney wrote: >>> On Feb 9, 2008 9:55 PM, Eddward DeVilla wrote: >>>> In any case, I'm just trying to come up with something that does >>>> the >>>> job but is not an eye sore in the org buffer. I'm looking for >>>> something that visually looks like a natural footer or terminator in >>>> plain text. (And a footer ought to be able to be preceeded by a >>>> header.) I know the significance of the '/' in xml, but visually, >>>> it >>>> doesn't look right to my eyes. Aside from the meaning in xml >>>> code, it >>>> does say end-of-list to me. If anything, it seems to connect the >>>> preceeding and proceeding text, like this/that. The dashes draw a >>>> dividing line. >>> >>> How about "-." ? >> >> Better. Still kind of cryptic, but more subtle. Actually, since >> that's all that's on the line, it really doesn't matter what it is. >> Font lock can hide it or gray it out. It could look like a blank line >> without the ambiguity. >> >> Edd >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode