From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Adam Porter Subject: Re: bug#32722: bug#32722: bug#32722: 26.1; Org-publish depend on non-free platform ? Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 20:54:12 -0500 Message-ID: <87zhwbehtn.fsf@alphapapa.net> References: <531a7f93882cc0d5d09700457d06ea082f47569b.camel@flqt.fr> <83sh2ck42e.fsf@gnu.org> <87va73gn90.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <83efdqg32d.fsf@gnu.org> <87lg7yfraw.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <874leme9vp.fsf@aminb.org> <83h8ikenbc.fsf@gnu.org> <87in30geqo.fsf__12383.8069885553$1537471022$gmane$org@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <875zyzg3mw.fsf@alphapapa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50832) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g3AeT-0006Cz-07 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 21:54:37 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g3AeL-0001tO-Gh for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 21:54:34 -0400 Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=59149 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g3AeL-0001oO-10 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 21:54:29 -0400 Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g3Ac6-0005ir-78 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 03:52:10 +0200 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Kaushal Modi writes: > With Org/ox-html, it's the same thing. Ox-html is part of Emacs > core. So it cannot rely on htmlize.el. 1. Why not? I just git-blamed this line in ox-html.el: (declare-function htmlize-region "ext:htmlize" (beg end)) It's from February, 2012. That's 6 and a half years, at least, that that code has been present. Why are we suddenly concerned about it? 2. Is Org part of "Emacs core"? I didn't think that was how "Emacs core" was defined, but I may be wrong. It is officially part of Emacs, of course. So is there a distinction between "part of Emacs" and "Emacs core"? If so, is there a difference in policy for those two categories, and is that policy written anywhere? Are there any other "time bombs" in Org that we should be concerned about? 3. Yesterday, RMS posted this: > The deep problem with the reference to htmlize is that it blurs the > distinction between Emacs itself and Lisp code that is not part of > Emacs. We need to highlight that distinction, not blur it. a. That is not the originally stated problem. b. I don't understand how htmlize blurs the distinction between Emacs itself and other lisp code. htmlize is not distributed with Emacs nor Org, and it must be manually retrieved from a third-party repository. Isn't that very much distinct from Emacs itself? Doesn't telling users that they must download and install it separately highlight that distinction? 4. I'm certainly in favor of using built-in libraries as much as possible. If htmlfontify is a better or equivalent solution, and someone's willing to write the code and ensure there are no regressions, that would be great, because it would save users from having to manually install other packages to get expected functionality. 5. Having a passing familiarity with the complexity of the Org code base, I am concerned about the potential for regressions in functionality and usability. I'm also a bit disappointed to see this burden potentially thrust upon Nicolas and other Org maintainers, to replace working code that's existed for over 6 years, for little-to-no technical reason. Their time available for working on Org is very valuable.