From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:c151::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id wNZqJhnT5mBAQwAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 08 Jul 2021 12:27:37 +0200 Received: from aspmx2.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:c151::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id sLsDIhnT5mBlZgAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 08 Jul 2021 10:27:37 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx2.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0CB222D36 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2021 12:27:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:48050 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m1RFn-0000hZ-Rx for larch@yhetil.org; Thu, 08 Jul 2021 06:27:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36890) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m1RFD-0000ee-21 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jul 2021 06:26:59 -0400 Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]:52705) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m1RFA-0007Fd-Qm for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jul 2021 06:26:58 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: admin@nicolasgoaziou.fr) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 060ABE0007; Thu, 8 Jul 2021 10:26:51 +0000 (UTC) From: Nicolas Goaziou To: Timothy Subject: Re: [wip-cite-new] Merging tomorrow? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: org-mode-email , Bruce D'Arcus Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1625740057; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=MwvrN8sU2k0OTVWgkfJth3/OTrknhV5xTCGtHEPUGdI=; b=g27ocOrG+OEWMqESWP1FVva4sGGbHM5BeH2ckeBqjvF11z7RsEqXzspQg1K0ujwA95g7BQ 2FOCkVuCxIlFpWG8oh15q6uGs674I+2JIeG16TEkXWZS1UERNPp9JzGepQv6XJsdcxrM9c AV11m7Pl1LRFNd50esTnagf2k3bLRldMSzKyFmT3YpbDQQTherNAFiFNH147lHMsRr+NqD NbusjQdTGlPEOz+n6pGYHM3uxzbX++TYjPQXB/vIqugQ9/NqngnFb+zeEi5IDi7ASY0hUl 3CwLpgooe4ewLL/mYf2HnaZUEhcl8+mXkW+regAL9VTGg17AO7eoVykvN0U/Hw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1625740057; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=lOUICkb62gbnC4oW1Enn3rKuT/kP03aecL6VrrgudxkgQTDMFVRj/v6RMpDFi4x4YFBq7+ OdhGA9C7kl2XhVDjUmmWeSB+j5x0HEenBntLGX8xMfm5x8bK8TXcL5gv0GmzKtRPO9Tuwd APqalURX/iXdNEhmAVe606fLp30ADru+xYP7/KNYkruhvZ4atQShDIQVQTCiq5l2/GfBt0 0/6Ga2J2jEseeL9II48D/I9Rf4LjJi9KDSpbGJrydElbzKgjfR7aPwBbDlMoCqOdXe/T+B 8X3VrRNLfp4RBYVeoS8SvGH8+JumAWdOATcn0NJZbn+cSMFyWSzSWOZARfyXYg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx2.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx2.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.41 Authentication-Results: aspmx2.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx2.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: F0CB222D36 X-Spam-Score: -1.41 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: Obtf/jcT4ymW Hello, Timothy writes: > Bruce D'Arcus writes: > >>> wip-cite-new deals with citing from bibliographies, but I don't think it >>> deals with within-document referencing --- should it? > >> 1. Should it? >> 1. Maybe. > > I feel like it would fit. With everything that's been done for > citations, this feels like it may be a rather minor addition (or at > least this is what I hope). > >> 2. Can it? Could the design be extended to include internal referencing? >> 2. I think so. You'd just need a way to include internal targets in >> addition to the citation-references (keys); for illustration, >> something like [cite:#some-if]. > > I can't claim to have thought about this that much either, but something > like [cite:#some-fig] would seem to fit. > >> 3. If yes to both, should that hold back merger now? >> 3. No. > > I don't think this should hold up the merge either, but it's relevant in > the overall nature of the feature and perhaps could be shoehorned in > following the merge? I feel like this is one small quite simple case and > most of the thinking required has already been done. I'm not sure > though, I'd go with whatever Nic's thought are on this. At this point, I don't have enough understanding of the problem to have an opinion. IIUC, your example does not even mention citations. How should it be used, what should be the output in LaTeX, and in UTF-8 export? This is not clear to me. What can I say however is: if this feature implies to change, or extend, syntax, then it is /de facto/ a blocker for the merge, and needs to be sorted out. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou