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I don't really kno= w Spanish, and only a little Greek, but I'm fascinated by bilingual edition= s, especially with critical apparati. I've been looking for a workflow for = creating my own (possibly critical) bilingual works, but so far, months lat= er, I haven't really found anything satisfactory. > > Dem=C3=B3stenes y Esquines, Cartas atribuidas. Publisher: Dykinson. > > Perhaps it is not yet in the catalog, because the book is very recent. Yeah, it doesn't appear to be in the catalog just yet. I'll look for it aga= in sometime later! > On this page you can see other critical editions (among other books) that= I have produced: https://maciaschain.gitlab.io/lunotipia/muestra_trabajos.= html. Certainly critical editions are some of the most fascinating kinds of= books out there. My favorites are the Oxford Classical Texts, the Bud=C3= =A9 Collection, and Teubner. In bilingual format the Loeb Classical Texts a= re also excellent. All these have marked a canon. I'll look through that page sometime! As for your favorites, I already have= some of them on my lists, but I'll look at the others! > I think that the automatic synchronization of the facing pages of a bilin= gual editions, either in TeX or in any other software, is a utopia. I was beginning to think even state-of-the-art isn't sufficient yet :-/ > In the case of TeX/LaTeX, the single-thread TeX limitation is also added.= Packages like parallel (or paracol, which is newer) work fine when dealing= with simple text. At more complexity they are unusable. And furthermore, i= n this case text A is a critical edition that needs its own configuration. = Parallel or paracol simply don't work here. Have you done any works that are parallel / bilingual that parallel, paraco= l, or whatnot would probably be sufficient?=20=20 > You might also want to take a look at ekdosis, a new package for critical= editions. It is not as complete as reledmac (for now), but it has some int= eresting features, such as the possibility of exporting to TEI. Ah! I had that somewhere in my bookmarks; now that I have more knowledge on= TEI, I might take a closer look! I would've thought importing TEI as oppos= ed to exporting would be the easier / better way, though.. > [...] For critical editions (among other text types for Humanities), the = standard for storing textual data is TEI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tex= t_Encoding_Initiative). The problem with TEI (at least for me) is that it c= onsists of XML, and I hate XML :-). In this regard, I think that a lightwei= ght markup language as powerful as Org could be a good alternative to TEI. = And Org is indeed human-readable. One could even think of a possible Org ba= ckend for TEI... I also hate XML, but that's mostly when aiming for 100% compliance. A lot o= f features I really don't care for, and I really think the namespacing coul= d've been much simpler, but with a superior editor like Emacs or perhaps a = specialized one, I'd like to think much of the chore of TEI goes away.. Question: have you looked at other (open-source) typesetting engines beside= s the TeX family? Like, say, *roff? In some ways, I prefer groff's way to T= eX, but it being a much smaller community, with a much smaller ecosystem, g= ets in the way.. Cheers, Hendursaga