From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id VWMFN3z6j16HIAAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 04:47:56 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id iN1hBn76j16dVwAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 04:47:58 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 118B1941C45 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 04:47:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:58584 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jMla6-0001JV-0R for larch@yhetil.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 00:47:54 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53257) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jMlZb-0001J9-VZ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 00:47:24 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jMlZa-0006gb-Hg for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 00:47:23 -0400 Received: from pb-smtp1.pobox.com ([64.147.108.70]:62835) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jMlZa-0006g0-BS for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 00:47:22 -0400 Received: from pb-smtp1.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917AC4379F; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 00:47:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kyle@kyleam.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=sasl; bh=UOAGTxEBwkepgC6c9NOlnqjhTx4=; b=Hsw9PI gtS0SwCZe5jqKKbNG0VVrKyKf77xxOE+MKLtPwayZGG4+4FnEaYxmwcm6olemll8 OyrzhkNbpBEvuVBQVZwbnzf8gH2uPCmTxPJuDwoPJcMzcZlopbRuNxxxkd8rwMDy mgr8HRz53LURJuhsaRg+sn+Z9EPxBiEgB7NoY= Received: from pb-smtp1.nyi.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B1024379D; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 00:47:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kyle@kyleam.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=kyleam.com; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=mesmtp; bh=3GGMvNQHUxWbUTGSUrsUL+57u6odCD9bG1DfUhjJZMQ=; b=ldizLZH0JpSgGm/Q8QWlZoHat37NF5zN0y88+DDD+n5SLE+Ncd1oPncVrlgVurXCdSF5xJzE2C7tcz1cWVsGavVLgw3s5njp3nlJBhXiOuaur2nxDF0jrmEGHup1cRlM9mWt/oQaT/H6hx2RWLMtfXJXY8YVTytEW61nxsq/W2I= Received: from localhost (unknown [45.33.91.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E064A4379C; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 00:47:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kyle@kyleam.com) From: Kyle Meyer To: Dmitrii Korobeinikov Subject: Re: org-clock misleading description for a prompt option In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 04:47:19 +0000 Message-ID: <87y2r40wx4.fsf@kyleam.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 5C63CF82-7AE6-11EA-B2C0-C28CBED8090B-24757444!pb-smtp1.pobox.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 64.147.108.70 X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=default; t=1586494076; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=nxWL32134kKkYUvpEwrpWc+9hPsz5RZHoki3hmMYEU4=; b=ZFehHoeymT26Jv5CnqdLv63fDDB3P4MlEKjpEvbm+ZDKLHbf/ixtLmH2uaiNbSJiCtwAi9 0pX7/p+zy1FN3iCtdtzWPskt9kzQz1/TB293t0QJOKab2aLTKrsewCJ5EiSu25CuZa380y QuZRHJ50+VlY8gl01Zb41UVYKyMSapw= ARC-Seal: i=1; s=default; d=yhetil.org; t=1586494076; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=hTt5G72uyINAu7FagMRiZ3FD4dtBkHeYbqtkMB4bZYLNxbzLHNgCWdt366DXRUgSGc7ZoD SAkor3jyjCPAKG37DKtqE5CUw8nQjrvwJByrnfaoWb6Tce6R/kU829mhqKUWGdRw5Hm6Zi E43EJgJgFdlMIpouErbiUbQOF3dAkmM= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=pobox.com header.s=sasl header.b=Hsw9PI g; dkim=pass header.d=kyleam.com header.s=mesmtp header.b=ldizLZH0; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Scanner: scn0 X-Spam-Score: -1.21 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=pobox.com header.s=sasl header.b=Hsw9PI g; dkim=pass header.d=kyleam.com header.s=mesmtp header.b=ldizLZH0; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Scan-Result: default: False [-1.21 / 13.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GENERIC_REPUTATION(0.00)[-0.58013464227946]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.51.188.0/24:c]; IP_REPUTATION_HAM(0.00)[asn: 22989(0.30), country: US(-0.01), ip: 209.51.188.17(-0.58)]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.50)[cached: eggs.gnu.org]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[pobox.com:+,kyleam.com:+]; MAILLIST(-0.20)[mailman]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FORGED_RECIPIENTS_MAILLIST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22989, ipnet:209.51.188.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[larch=yhetil.org]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[kyle@kyleam.com,emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[pobox.com:s=sasl,kyleam.com:s=mesmtp]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kyleam.com]; HAS_LIST_UNSUB(-0.01)[]; RCVD_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[8]; FORGED_SENDER_MAILLIST(0.00)[] X-TUID: JTeA0mxPWo2f Dmitrii Korobeinikov writes: > When you run org-clock-in and then restart emacs, clocking in again > will show a prompt asking what to do w/ the unfinished entry. "i" > means "ignore this question; the same as keeping all the idle time". > However, a new entry is created if this is chosen without doing > anything about unfinished one. Keeping all the idle time w/ "k" > updates the unfinished entry before starting a new one. "i" doesn't do > that, so the description seems a bit misleading. That seems confusing to me as well (at least being the not-advanced clocker that I am). I suspect the confusion comes from the different perspective from which it's written. You're talking about restarting Emacs and clocking in again; the description is, I think, written assuming the context of the prompt being triggered due to idle time. In that scenario, hitting i/q or 'k => all' have the same effect; a new entry is not created. This resolving on clock-in vs resolving when idle discrepancy shows in at least one other part of the description: the final sentence says that the uppercase variants leads to a clocked out state, but that's not true when org-clock-resolve is triggered from an org-clock-in call. So, while I think things could be improved here (contributions welcome), those changes should keep both contexts in mind.