From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id aGG2B3Lan1/PBwAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 10:07:46 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id xnx7A3Lan19YYgAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 10:07:46 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B043F94021E for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2020 10:07:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:56300 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kZWka-00085G-Gf for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 05:07:44 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50964) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kZWb9-0002Qr-Te for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 04:58:00 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:60891) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kZWb6-0001Kp-92 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 04:57:59 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1604311071; bh=qbZUYBMOuef5wMWf47uDgCs4vPu6lzDLQ89s+01gR/c=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:References:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-reply-to:Date; b=lj1Jc//KrwadePuXYLV3MyQiVybYPy6DlmztdrJ+w/gHRJhXhlYxAH2JireThQr9+ zqZA6xXShWpaEZZiJH8ZgPwj7WtzGnry1NbB9RIMPgU2Bafxz6z8Kj7uMt8pkiV9oB yxGVYYOuAwi028jxJaVMPBKtLsZiK8Wv6xgwPgWc= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from fluss ([80.136.28.200]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LnBPR-1jsC9a0LPx-00hOlm; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 10:57:51 +0100 References: <874km8d0bk.fsf@gmail.com> <20201102081253.GC6609@maokai> User-agent: mu4e 1.4.13; emacs 27.1 From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" To: Russell Adams Subject: Re: Thoughts on the standardization of Org In-reply-to: <20201102081253.GC6609@maokai> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2020 10:57:46 +0100 Message-ID: <87y2jkcc85.fsf@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:nblOktFT0zy0jzrAohj+q7Ue5UmVMb6vvXLtt6VRah4zAZyIWrC vSq6aqGKSyz5rS2FWTBjNaD5pYNv7ZOE+5qPi8lYMvtZ6bzUC7zYLzROKW4ht58baVpkxlD bF08vPuBFH6p0kzAozd/3S3p3wLPb6DkXnwBgYXxGXkew246UYq9nagYM0K1VQPv2FuSIT5 uO+KnrSsSmucx0Nup3nrA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:/6o2eBeJIdQ=:N2u19jaWuOwJ2mGj1aA2gf P8u+ztDoc4iab/Y8HTpXlrOXuglNA02y1WvFG/guH+iAH8U5wig1ejJkxK3XGCqBQFaWOvvvs hhpc68O9EX94iafY2gUoG9WfYLvS0Y4yh46txRujxJjEbttlP/uaARl3TmD6GgRhGqIxmYs5+ 1g108FTq1I4W9xwktWZxjSx0czJ98sQlFIZrkEagw3N1/AmktLU3LE4kgolJROmCl6MEXVEyX I54euAdp9miX/zCpuhRSLm5EpSR+NgxD8h1ERzuteNqssX2a6guU1f+MLWN1gtILELFo1Oha7 uSY0aX114hOCJ65P8vj4jhwY3dKhRtTI3Efj3/tHI/fpTf1H0kS2bMCOzfGrTg1lTK0QcGapo OSedp7diEQuHdmQm2xUJeh/SGbeZHXtTLVLCgIx+QoPD7D7+5ifoLyrpS3mXFSQ88t0qp55gY U5JKe+vlcGQ1DVA8/gTfiCn2KjFbVfWYZJfTuf99nyH0YnBsxRVPggoQtrnrQBq93BpCEHSw5 7WObXWqZWLWk7f1gJsWJ9iwscMSbdHER2pUmglb2z4pCSV6cic8pEqi6TZHTy0jiVyvZjyN0I HolYx4NuoiIcFshBaR7twkRYZHdYwfZvWgo7BFtzcs6k7iU2gmDW60JsBFcGnSYthBKeFp4HD 3aU0LFJVyKZUX8sidYUU7ERi8AZV0CcxmJGXNp7C94IFHaRQo/y+lz/oMp8Sx38eGxd2G6Pop aS3zX8MyINNKbfIlRmqxpayzUnJIzzgGxCjTLPr1sZbBbQBSKl13UIe1B/33G50F+QVyKtOHk HUIpSmHpKjzho2ywm+fmQFC2n4mJGXnGLI1YDnJ7ytgwPUEixtHpq3POlX3OWSenhVdtpRRF+ aEzxGkM3XIB4aPfJ3dXw== Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.4; envelope-from=arne_bab@web.de; helo=mout.web.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/11/02 04:53:49 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=web.de header.s=dbaedf251592 header.b=lj1Jc//K; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=web.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.81 X-TUID: mf+vfzTdIyFB --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Russell Adams writes: > On Sun, Nov 01, 2020 at 05:17:19PM -0800, Ken Mankoff wrote: >> >> To all who argue that Org is too tightly coupled to Emacs to >> consider working with it outside of Emacs, I point to GitHub. The >> fact that GitHub natively renders Org files "well enough" is a huge >> benefit to those of us who use Org. It is also useful for gaining >> new users (assuming more users is a good thing). > > I don't mind that at all. Consider though how few of Org's abilities > you can use in that context. Headlines, basic text formatting, etc is > fine. It's easy to interpret, and well standardized by now. > > The issue with implementing additional parsers outside of Emacs is the > overhead of exciting high level features like Babel, Exports, > spreadsheet, agenda, etc. Those would be very difficult to > reimplement. For these it would suffice for me if the parsers did not break the features. For example if a table cannot be rendered as table, I want to see it as plain text. Maybe the parser could hide @@latex:@@ blocks in html presentation, but they must be shown when editing =E2=80=A6 Best wishes, Arne =2D-=20 Unpolitisch sein hei=C3=9Ft politisch sein ohne es zu merken --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJEBAEBCAAuFiEE801qEjXQSQPNItXAE++NRSQDw+sFAl+f2B0QHGFybmVfYmFi QHdlYi5kZQAKCRAT741FJAPD6+7dD/0a3AzepRzj+j6AKlUpIB2rf2Rdy3GH5DXv eUWQ7k2VKOD7NGKsxcZtCAJA32EIF4E6LA6QvY3yx/n/eKbxVHN0UEomT1P2H3vn hXyA9uGQqDoN8P9yZ8Fq2Xt/bc+u2/g2P6mL320bJZmcCicVSbTaBL9dWUtzXm6k +3rfOP2/3gnkjtTuXsQ+avIFwo8Azk2lo3RJVNo46ZP5WdqBFI51HRE1TsxZfPE1 LAdb2HTY3oj7SqPWTUyYQe+bJrjwmfnAQOYbGN9ew9e4r5QFXAgntw80nx6H6VI5 WIBKOPoqRV0VZJJV/7I9ioYNRkVEJvs2UyWrjwqTJ5vRYARKLWBmLnVnx9uN53Ma idt9Bnvv1eP5sPIAAOmC6OK4F1gBifmPu05Qc3QJQkLVCStEM3SlsNAuaWrcwScS CD3PjPX343t77GIX0MQ4BU9hmEPXZLAGmzwB3YbBBngfxaIl4aU4VokoYd29ekRv DukWoLes5UfH68h2+nbfjuCfn73EA4E7BwAxy4bGoNA0akzfRTUhSBsFPbddLRTB vqKo81suApX8mVzG/+/GxG13NjwhV6mir9MNlAYaif+gOHlKzDwbufHfmiEPiaDN s0TZx3NMsd6yIIBc5f1CzwE7vSpxobhXyDweuqkEaWR07DCKIS6dczTgFrXrbJ8h dZnHjXMliYjEBAEBCAAuFiEE3Si95tmHXKvOSosd3M8NswvBBUgFAl+f2B0QHGFy bmVfYmFiQHdlYi5kZQAKCRDczw2zC8EFSLzaA/4vp7IUV4Di0dald9MJeU+PH8fS 7acahQAeDEVr//l7/VSRYQG5HwuUlVyUc/Oof5BwdMfeZN36ua8jZeaY83HSdBTt u81TEfw7yaXHh5OXFBwo36zUm15ToDqDrLgT0DLnLa59q8yPItJeHJ8Bz1/n4vUs xiWwUueY5TgPDIL4Ew== =Lfsb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--