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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: , Gyro Funch , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1641828843; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=xgfrTi41S1nXI+0HskjVUlWE/7ultDt4mLCzngSo8h4=; b=bYu9axmQ1A0bcXWd5HvKFGk3xvJeL/XSnv7n2P5HvNVWzlrzq2CgslyVCdoBHE2afAiW+4 FOO2lz6SNHGPjyiWoscj++SgLKsSuDGTRlUXL9oWv2HVD2XLzg8Ap+BU8A6DmzI9MnpiV5 /rhXL5diiPUm/E1VtkC8hgGxpoMfkFPInL5fzSYMCOZBAyvqv5J9c/Ga7iTEs/qnluw2P2 FM+2LbDKPdd5MGpGq9uyl4PbivbNgBfZO0OVNt9eZy9e5nvtoWCrGZg3ow6WHMmXGhKmBo qdFVPTwuCEZrGTKv0cIHaEsAp7MpxFHJIKODL1CnaxLAGIAiP7YAooh3+Vew7Q== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1641828843; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=RLh+FYc8nBjNNQGA+bLSn6+EWbXiooZujHQh/3in3K1xh3dtqi+AinolqYhTYwO9vFGMSi faCap7vAsViG+cRbdXd/lWsZBGCu9VHjI6MuBCINigcu2gZS4jzaxruaE/RXzVqRruUOnR Jmj4AB7/MY1vzEIlqBUV1RxxvEQlPIlv3awINfqd7k0sHCAwzToP3TtOnSI/mVZe4UEKxc O8UW0Vjn7RhcF+P/12sIoECqRpj7GTa16BBcxDmBCl+bFs+Ltpjidss9PQbjz0Ez92LunK ma925938pM45xzZMHEDCDu7dhAKgU123b725/7kQX9eDhDzKWqLRyAzpgS5mrA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=yandex.com header.s=mail header.b="G6OgJ/cn"; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=yandex.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.01 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=yandex.com header.s=mail header.b="G6OgJ/cn"; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=yandex.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: D1A73357C3 X-Spam-Score: -2.01 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: zME4XF0Wu5RH >>>>> Timothy writes: > Hi Gyro, >> Consider Emerson=E2=80=99s quote: >>=20 >> =E2=80=9CA foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, ado= red >> by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With >> consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do.=E2=80=9D > I think applying a quote about how societal expectations and norms > can limit the capacity for greatness of individuals, to =E2=80=A6 > capitalisation is a bit of a stretch. > FWIW, I think it would be good to be internally > consistent. #+RESULTS is currently one of the few keywords > inserted in upper case. Unless there=E2=80=99s a good reason to > distinguish it from other keywords (perhaps an argument could be > made that it should be treated differently because it is usually > generated, not inserted by the user?), I=E2=80=99d be in favour of > changing the default to be consistent. What is the point of changing a default? Users can change to whatever they like, but a default is a default - i.e. remains fixed. Why a particular default arose belongs to peculiarities of history. Do people really want to revisit this year after year? The value of a default is irrelevant: what is important is that it does not change, once it is chosen, without some very good reason. I have not seen that reason in this particular case. The arguments of consistency are ephemeral.