From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa Subject: Largest org file you have + performance Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 11:35:52 -0500 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec5430fcc762cbc04a9743929 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:57830) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QnvT9-0005Jf-Je for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 12:35:56 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QnvT8-0001eX-Cx for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 12:35:55 -0400 Received: from mail-ew0-f41.google.com ([209.85.215.41]:60341) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QnvT8-0001eE-6J for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 12:35:54 -0400 Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so3474691ewy.0 for ; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 09:35:52 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Org Mode --bcaec5430fcc762cbc04a9743929 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey list, What's the largest orgmode file you have, and what's the performance you get while manipulating/navigating it? Mine is a 5k lines file called reference.org, and I basically keep all kind of notes and attachments there. It's a bit slow to navigate on my Emacs 240.50.1, orgmode 7.4, although still usable. I'm just afraid that it will keep getting slower with time at the point of being unusable inside emacs+orgmode. I'm curious if there are users with larger orgmode files and what their experience is, and open to suggestions on how to improve performance. Cheers, Marcelo. --bcaec5430fcc762cbc04a9743929 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey list,

What's the largest orgmode file you have, = and what's the performance you get while manipulating/navigating it? Mi= ne is a 5k lines file called reference.org= , and I basically keep all kind of notes and attachments there. It'= s a bit slow to navigate on my Emacs 240.50.1, orgmode 7.4, although still = usable. I'm just afraid that it will keep getting slower with time at t= he point of being unusable inside emacs+orgmode. I'm curious if there a= re users with larger orgmode files and what their experience is, and open t= o suggestions on how to improve performance.

Cheers,

Marcelo.
--bcaec5430fcc762cbc04a9743929-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: suvayu ali Subject: Re: Largest org file you have + performance Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 18:54:16 +0200 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:40416) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QnvlH-0002x2-8L for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 12:54:40 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QnvlF-0006G1-TO for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 12:54:39 -0400 Received: from mail-ew0-f41.google.com ([209.85.215.41]:39530) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QnvlF-0006Fv-MZ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 12:54:37 -0400 Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so3484156ewy.0 for ; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 09:54:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa Cc: Org Mode Hi Marcelo, On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote: > What's the largest orgmode file you have, and what's the performance you get > while manipulating/navigating it? Mine is a 5k lines file called > reference.org, and I basically keep all kind of notes and attachments there. My largest agenda file used to be ~2k lines. Now I have archived many things, so my 2nd largest agenda file is ~1.5k lines. I don't see any performance problems. All agenda commands are almost instantaneous. Hope this helps. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa Subject: Re: Largest org file you have + performance Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:06:25 -0500 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016368e3276b9ed8404a974a66b Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:43162) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qnvwh-0005Vi-QW for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 13:06:28 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qnvwg-0000I9-IR for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 13:06:27 -0400 Received: from mail-fx0-f41.google.com ([209.85.161.41]:62739) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qnvwg-0000Hr-Bo for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 13:06:26 -0400 Received: by fxg9 with SMTP id 9so6057192fxg.0 for ; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 10:06:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: suvayu ali Cc: Org Mode --0016368e3276b9ed8404a974a66b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What platform? OSX? On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:54 AM, suvayu ali wrote: > Hi Marcelo, > > On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa > wrote: > > What's the largest orgmode file you have, and what's the performance you > get > > while manipulating/navigating it? Mine is a 5k lines file called > > reference.org, and I basically keep all kind of notes and attachments > there. > > My largest agenda file used to be ~2k lines. Now I have archived many > things, so my 2nd largest agenda file is ~1.5k lines. I don't see any > performance problems. All agenda commands are almost instantaneous. > > Hope this helps. > > -- > Suvayu > > Open source is the future. It sets us free. > --0016368e3276b9ed8404a974a66b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What platform? OSX?

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 a= t 11:54 AM, suvayu ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Marcelo,

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
<celoserpa@gmail.com> wrot= e:
> What's the largest orgmode file you have, and what's the perfo= rmance you get
> while manipulating/navigating it? Mine is a 5k lines file called
> reference.org, = and I basically keep all kind of notes and attachments there.

My largest agenda file used to be ~2k lines. Now I have archived many=
things, so my 2nd largest agenda file is ~1.5k lines. I don't see any performance problems. All agenda commands are almost instantaneous.

Hope this helps.

--
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

--0016368e3276b9ed8404a974a66b-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Florian Beck Subject: Re: Largest org file you have + performance Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:13:28 +0200 Message-ID: <87sjplxanr.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:58585) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qnx0K-0003Tr-Eh for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 14:14:17 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qnx0J-0007Z2-DO for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 14:14:16 -0400 Received: from mo-p05-ob.rzone.de ([81.169.146.182]:63680) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qnx0J-0007Yc-7L for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 14:14:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Marcelo de Moraes Serpa's message of "Mon, 1 Aug 2011 11:35:52 -0500") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa Cc: Org Mode Marcelo de Moraes Serpa writes: > Hey list, > > > What's the largest orgmode file you have, and what's the performance you get while manipulating/navigating it? Mine is a 5k lines > file called reference.org, and I basically keep all kind of notes and attachments there. It's a bit slow to navigate on my Emacs > 240.50.1, orgmode 7.4, although still usable. I'm just afraid that it will keep getting slower with time at the point of being > unusable inside emacs+orgmode. I'm curious if there are users with larger orgmode files and what their experience is, and open to > suggestions on how to improve performance. emacs-bzr, org-7.7 The largest file I have is 7.2M. Some 6300 entries, 137k lines. Agenda commands are slow, of course, but otherwise the performance is acceptable. Anything that involves completion is quite slow. Opening ID links is also slower than I would like. Anything that works on the whole buffer can take a long time (cycling from OVERVIEW to CONTENTS takes more than a minute), so try to avoid that. (I keep old notes in that file, so mostly I search or link to entries.) If you are using the current bzr version of emacs, make sure to set `bidi-display-reordering' to nil. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Marcelo. -- Florian Beck From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Eric Abrahamsen Subject: Re: Largest org file you have + performance Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 11:17:58 -0700 Message-ID: <87fwll9esp.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:35766) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qnx4C-0005Vh-NN for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 14:18:17 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qnx4A-0008Vo-B1 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 14:18:16 -0400 Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:42263) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qnx4A-0008Vb-0p for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 14:18:14 -0400 Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qnx48-0006W2-A1 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:18:12 +0200 Received: from 63.226.249.211 ([63.226.249.211]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:18:12 +0200 Received: from eric by 63.226.249.211 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:18:12 +0200 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On Mon, Aug 01 2011, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote: > Hey list, > > What's the largest orgmode file you have, and what's the performance > you get while manipulating/navigating it? Mine is a 5k lines file > called reference.org, and I basically keep all kind of notes and > attachments there. It's a bit slow to navigate on my Emacs 240.50.1, > orgmode 7.4, although still usable. I'm just afraid that it will keep > getting slower with time at the point of being unusable inside > emacs+orgmode. I'm curious if there are users with larger orgmode > files and what their experience is, and open to suggestions on how to > improve performance. My largest file is 32k lines. It's a novel translation (so essentially two very long novels in one file), and there's no perceptible lag in navigation/folding. BUT! It's almost all plain text, very little fontification besides the headlines, and I understand that fontification is one of the major causes of lag. So, dunno if that's helpful, but it's another data point. Eric (Using the Ubuntu version of Emacs, 23.3 I believe, and yesterday's org-mode) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: suvayu ali Subject: Re: Largest org file you have + performance Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 22:27:25 +0200 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:55192) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qnz5X-0000WX-VQ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 16:27:48 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qnz5W-0003pu-9c for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 16:27:47 -0400 Received: from mail-ew0-f41.google.com ([209.85.215.41]:58736) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qnz5W-0003pP-59 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 16:27:46 -0400 Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so3597001ewy.0 for ; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 13:27:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa Cc: Org Mode On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote: > What platform? OSX? Linux x86_64 I also have other files which are larger (~3k lines) but they are not in the agenda files. These other files have lots of source code blocks and are meant for exporting to pdf via latex. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa Subject: Fwd: Largest org file you have + performance Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 15:33:10 -0500 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255574fe1f994e04a9778a61 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:51609) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QnzAn-0002St-2N for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 16:33:14 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QnzAl-0004zO-Lm for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 16:33:13 -0400 Received: from mail-fx0-f41.google.com ([209.85.161.41]:58565) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QnzAl-0004zJ-HB for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 16:33:11 -0400 Received: by fxg9 with SMTP id 9so6256118fxg.0 for ; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 13:33:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Org Mode --0003255574fe1f994e04a9778a61 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa Date: Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [O] Largest org file you have + performance To: suvayu ali I think emacs on OSX underperforms significantly, at least comparing to its Linux counterpart. I might be wrong... The reference file is slow by itself, agenda commands are slow, but acceptable. On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 3:27 PM, suvayu ali wrote: > On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa > wrote: > > What platform? OSX? > > Linux x86_64 > > I also have other files which are larger (~3k lines) but they are not > in the agenda files. These other files have lots of source code blocks > and are meant for exporting to pdf via latex. > > -- > Suvayu > > Open source is the future. It sets us free. > --0003255574fe1f994e04a9778a61 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

---------- Forwarded message ----------<= br>From: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [O] Largest org file you = have + performance
To: suvayu ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com>


I think emacs= on OSX underperforms significantly, at least comparing to its Linux counte= rpart. I might be wrong...=A0

The reference file is slow by itself, agenda commands are sl= ow, but acceptable.


On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 3:27 PM, suvayu ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
<celoserpa@gmai= l.com> wrote:
> What platform? OSX?

Linux x86_64

I also have other files which are larger (~3k lines) but they are not
in the agenda files. These other files have lots of source code blocks
and are meant for exporting to pdf via latex.

--
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.


--0003255574fe1f994e04a9778a61-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bernt Hansen Subject: Re: Largest org file you have + performance Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:56:59 -0400 Message-ID: <87fwlktyuc.fsf@norang.ca> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:48893) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qo3I9-0003iO-8j for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:57:06 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qo3I7-0004HM-7T for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:57:05 -0400 Received: from mho-03-ewr.mailhop.org ([204.13.248.66]:22911 helo=mho-01-ewr.mailhop.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qo3I7-0004Gr-5Z for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:57:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Marcelo de Moraes Serpa's message of "Mon, 1 Aug 2011 11:35:52 -0500") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa Cc: Org Mode Marcelo de Moraes Serpa writes: > What's the largest orgmode file you have, and what's the performance > you get while manipulating/navigating it? Mine is a 5k lines file > called reference.org, and I basically keep all kind of notes and > attachments there. It's a bit slow to navigate on my Emacs 240.50.1, > orgmode 7.4, although still usable. I'm just afraid that it will keep > getting slower with time at the point of being unusable inside > emacs+orgmode. I'm curious if there are users with larger orgmode > files and what their experience is, and open to suggestions on how to > improve performance. My largest .org file is 6120 lines, 306741 bytes but I have 51 files contributing to my agenda for a total of 29488 lines, 1,263,120 bytes total. My archive files are much bigger but not normally accessed. This is on a 32 bit linux system and the only slow thing I have is 5 seconds to generate my block agenda which includes all of my org files. Archiving things you don't need is the best way to keep things fast I think. You can still search the archive from the agenda if necessary. Regards, Bernt From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Reiner Steib Subject: Performance of org-mode with BIDI (was: Largest org file you have + performance) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 09:14:25 +0200 Message-ID: <87r5541e0e.fsf_-_@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> References: <87sjplxanr.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> Reply-To: Reiner Steib Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:55948) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qo9f2-0005h1-Et for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 03:45:09 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qo9f1-0003I4-77 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 03:45:08 -0400 Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:46424) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qo9f0-0003HP-Rl for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 03:45:07 -0400 Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qo9ez-0000Z4-MK for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 09:45:05 +0200 Received: from p4fd42655.dip.t-dialin.net ([79.212.38.85]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 09:45:05 +0200 Received: from Reiner.Steib by p4fd42655.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 09:45:05 +0200 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On Mon, Aug 01 2011, Florian Beck wrote: > If you are using the current bzr version of emacs, make sure to set > `bidi-display-reordering' to nil. Please don't. Instead, report problems caused by `bidi-display-reordering' with M-x report-emacs-bug RET so the Emacs developers can fix the problem. Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Florian Beck Subject: Re: Performance of org-mode with BIDI Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 18:36:51 +0200 Message-ID: <87wreuh2os.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> References: <87sjplxanr.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <87r5541e0e.fsf_-_@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:53102) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QoeRz-0000B7-Q5 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 12:37:44 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QoeRy-0008Fb-4G for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 12:37:43 -0400 Received: from mo-p05-ob.rzone.de ([81.169.146.180]:41519) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QoeRx-0008FO-W2 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 12:37:42 -0400 Received: from flo-laptop (p54995B21.dip.t-dialin.net [84.153.91.33]) by smtp.strato.de (fruni mo24) (RZmta 26.2) with (DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA encrypted) ESMTPA id v071een73FwR62 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:36:53 +0200 (MEST) In-Reply-To: <87r5541e0e.fsf_-_@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> (Reiner Steib's message of "Tue, 02 Aug 2011 09:14:25 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Reiner Steib writes: > On Mon, Aug 01 2011, Florian Beck wrote: > >> If you are using the current bzr version of emacs, make sure to set >> `bidi-display-reordering' to nil. > > Please don't. Instead, report problems caused by > `bidi-display-reordering' with M-x report-emacs-bug RET so the Emacs > developers can fix the problem. And, as of now, the problem is already fixed. -- Florian Beck From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Milan Zamazal Subject: Re: Largest org file you have + performance Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:18:03 +0200 Message-ID: <878vr99bic.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:47084) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp4N7-0005Uk-Ko for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:18:26 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp4N6-000714-PP for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:18:25 -0400 Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:55587) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp4N6-000710-J4 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:18:24 -0400 Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp4N4-000325-8o for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:18:22 +0200 Received: from ip51.strelice.net ([217.66.176.51]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:18:22 +0200 Received: from pdm by ip51.strelice.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:18:22 +0200 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org My largest org file is an org-drill file of almost 1 MB size, containing about 32000 lines (most of them are entry properties) and 2000 org-drill entries. It's well useable but tag and property editing is better to be done by hand instead of using org commands and I have to use some folding trick to prevent org-drill performance problems. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "jiangzuoyan@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Largest org file you have + performance Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:20:16 +0800 Message-ID: References: <878vr99bic.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e81d027075504a9b8be2b Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:49028) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QpA1e-0005ZK-U9 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:20:40 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QpA1d-0007xH-LE for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:20:38 -0400 Received: from mail-iy0-f175.google.com ([209.85.210.175]:41622) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QpA1d-0007xD-HH for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:20:37 -0400 Received: by iyn15 with SMTP id 15so1644888iyn.6 for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 19:20:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <878vr99bic.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Milan Zamazal Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --90e6ba6e81d027075504a9b8be2b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 My largest org file is QuanSongCi.org, contains ci poetry of Song dynasty, about 6MB size. Editing in emacs is very slow, save needs to wait about minutes. convert to html needs to wait about minutes, too. So, sometimes, sed like tools is preferred to do editing and converting. Changsheng Jiang On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 04:18, Milan Zamazal wrote: > My largest org file is an org-drill file of almost 1 MB size, containing > about 32000 lines (most of them are entry properties) and 2000 org-drill > entries. It's well useable but tag and property editing is better to be > done by hand instead of using org commands and I have to use some > folding trick to prevent org-drill performance problems. > > > > --90e6ba6e81d027075504a9b8be2b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My largest org file is QuanSongCi.org, contains ci poetry of Song dynasty, = about 6MB size.

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My largest org file is an org-drill file of almost 1 MB size, containing about 32000 lines (most of them are entry properties) and 2000 org-drill entries. =C2=A0It's well useable but tag and property editing is better= to be
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--90e6ba6e81d027075504a9b8be2b-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Matt Lundin Subject: Re: Largest org file you have + performance Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 10:31:17 -0500 Message-ID: <87wrerkh8a.fsf@fastmail.fm> References: <878vr99bic.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:37086) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QpMMq-0005m8-H9 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 11:31:21 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QpMMp-0000Za-9X for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 11:31:20 -0400 Received: from out3.smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.27]:42606) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QpMMp-0000ZR-6x for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 11:31:19 -0400 In-Reply-To: (jiangzuoyan@gmail.com's message of "Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:20:16 +0800") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: "jiangzuoyan@gmail.com" Cc: Org Mode "jiangzuoyan@gmail.com" writes: > My largest org file is QuanSongCi.org, contains ci poetry of Song > dynasty, about 6MB size. > > Editing in emacs is very slow, save needs to wait about > minutes.=C2=A0convert to html needs to wait about minutes, too. So, > sometimes, sed like tools is preferred to do editing and converting. Thanks for these details. I can report similar experiences with large files. As far as I understand, large org-mode buffers are slow because there are many overlays, which (unlike text properties), don't scale well: (info "(elisp) Overlays") This is right now an inescapable limitation of org-mode, since outline-mode relies on overlays. There was brief talk on emacs-dev of rewriting text-properties so that outline-mode could use them instead of overlays, but I do not believe the proposal was pursued further: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/131304 Best, Matt From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: Largest org file you have + performance Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 18:50:46 +0200 Message-ID: <87aabc7x95.fsf@gnu.org> References: <878vr99bic.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org> <87wrerkh8a.fsf@fastmail.fm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:40430) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qsdt4-0005X8-TF for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:50:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qsdt3-0001m7-Na for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:50:10 -0400 Received: from mail-ww0-f49.google.com ([74.125.82.49]:41513) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qsdt3-0001lp-GA for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:50:09 -0400 Received: by wwf10 with SMTP id 10so3392348wwf.30 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 09:50:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87wrerkh8a.fsf@fastmail.fm> (Matt Lundin's message of "Fri, 05 Aug 2011 10:31:17 -0500") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Matt Lundin Cc: Org Mode Hi Matt, Matt Lundin writes: > There was brief talk on emacs-dev of rewriting text-properties so that > outline-mode could use them instead of overlays, but I do not believe > the proposal was pursued further: > > http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/131304 Quite interesting, thanks for the link. I would love to see some optimization in this area. -- Bastien From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: SW Subject: Re: Largest org file you have + performance Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 12:29:52 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <878vr99bic.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org> <87wrerkh8a.fsf@fastmail.fm> <87aabc7x95.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37440) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXXBC-0003N1-A4 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2012 08:30:15 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXXBA-0000yK-H7 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2012 08:30:09 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:35215) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXXBA-0000xi-A9 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2012 08:30:08 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SXXB7-0003fs-1F for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 24 May 2012 14:30:05 +0200 Received: from ss0.wits.ac.za ([146.141.1.90]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 14:30:05 +0200 Received: from sabrewolfy by ss0.wits.ac.za with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 14:30:05 +0200 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org I'm not familiar enough with Emacs to comment about the performance of overlays, etc., but I'm surprised that processing *text* can be so CPU intensive. These days we have games running with millions of pixels and shading or whatever (some use the GPU of course), and browsers with fancy Flash animation and dozens of tabs open and spreadsheets with thousands of cells and word processor documents with hundreds of formatted pages on dual cores and quad cores with GB of RAM. Is this performance overhead just a result of poorly-scalable overlays, rather than an inherent shortcoming of Emacs and/or org-mode? From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: Largest org file you have + performance Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 00:42:24 +0200 Message-ID: <87396nu9t3.fsf@altern.org> References: <878vr99bic.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org> <87wrerkh8a.fsf@fastmail.fm> <87aabc7x95.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47139) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SY3nk-0000Bi-KP for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 19:20:09 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SY3ni-00014h-5t for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 19:20:08 -0400 Received: from mail-wg0-f49.google.com ([74.125.82.49]:64712) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SY3nh-0000oT-TQ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 19:20:06 -0400 Received: by mail-wg0-f49.google.com with SMTP id ds1so1046054wgb.30 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 16:20:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (SW's message of "Thu, 24 May 2012 12:29:52 +0000 (UTC)") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: SW Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi, SW writes: > Is this performance overhead just a result of poorly-scalable overlays, rather > than an inherent shortcoming of Emacs and/or org-mode? I would say this is a combination of the implementation overlays and the use of overlays in outline.el. Perhaps we should dive into outline.el and see how we can improve things from there. (We tend to forget that Org is just a derived mode from outline.el!) -- Bastien