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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1657196366; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=nvIkh7ffn2g4jMVBRnvwas4SMX8z3kJe5aK/pol3J8I=; b=IzJmWL/gTrEU25sJ6Ul3U+MvCpo7H6hTsIvQU7tenWFKnBNZY8/fBIp/RbisXn3sqWipzJ qENa6GjcHOtzsmqKnOM/hJ8+hbzhQv6XZ84rP+JBkDdiR0yD0I5etEI6TOP/3sgYv4Sbcp TdnNwGW0R06qRFzZtRK0K69c4DuFSo/eJzHf7AGDbGfoYJWLR0N9CjAuZqjFWYPf5ZlHNI fCTScaY+Gdc5DJurTc/bWzLA1ZU4dKfKmemz+79o10ys+MOE8ymIN1wuVnWw55ZqrUIrTX vq2509e2CzjIENzNF8Ab65OhwyZgNtN1z4OQ0vnxOQPyTMg8uQjnLSuOaDinyQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1657196366; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=M0Wf/rzXDrIroGyaJ+cUUW86f1eakPbEQJ9eGNS0RU68e+kNvqixRZYmX5Jjce9nQt0Dn9 Sm7nnGC4F9j2fP6iXhrFTn6hWsA5SvoAQFFQM8F0sBDLDdXLgo9xBFbuKwspgeeCWxZUO1 lY1Tr6GyGVjblp4s6GmIcP/j1WfsTBfvkdFKQ4ymuEiuR8sz4eC3OuTBeqJ1XNJl02kl00 CU5HrZoHp/9ZASvV1x5//0jkYjp3vx5grZRG3RtnjbssowlQJ5MIV2Vwwj+isJdzJieIUM ettMhwKuboPRB53Tsf7vtOnvmi5fBE3s9IlSkvsS0vK43XOt93WdjdAj2oFcIw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=arPl4LTM; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.25 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=arPl4LTM; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 1FBD813D2D X-Spam-Score: -6.25 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: LLPlfoVUZvop Hi Robert, Robert Weiner writes: > Oantolin no doubt can speak to Embark much better but my present > understanding is that it is a toolkit package for generating contextual > popup or completion menus with a few standard context menus included. > > Hyperbole is a much broader personal information management > environment, one part of which is to turn every common type of > cross-reference found in buffers from programming identifiers to > page links into immediately useable hyperlinks with no effort > or markup on your part (implicit buttons). I struggle to understand the core difference between Embark and Hyperbole. In terms of Embark, the context around point is called /target/. So if the target is a filename, then the default action is to visit the file. If the default action is not what you want, then Embark can present you with a context menu - you can choose amongst the actions that can be executed on the file, like deleting it or locating it in a dired buffer. In terms of Hyperbole, the contextual information is called /implicit button/. Pressing M-RET on it sounds very much the same as executing the default action in terms of Embark. Embark defines the following targets: file, symbol, URL, s-expression, defun, etc. It seems it is conceptually the same as implicit buttons in Hyperbole. Is this correct?