orgtbl mode puzzle

orgtbl mode puzzle

[Nigel Beck]

I'm not sure if I'm understanding orgtbl mode correctly per
http://orgmode.org/manual/Tables-in-arbitrary-syntax.html#Tables-in-arbitrary-syntax,
but here is my experience (using the latest code from git).

1) Make something.org, cut and paste in the table from the latex example
http://orgmode.org/manual/A-LaTeX-example.html#A-LaTeX-example, hit C-c
C-c => nothing happens
2) Make something.txt, do M-x orgtbl-mode, cut and paste in the table
from the latex example, hit C-c C-c => latex table is inserted.
3) Make something.org, cut and paste a list from the list example
http://orgmode.org/manual/Radio-lists.html#Radio-lists, hit C-c C-c =>
latex list is inserted.
4) Make something.txt, do M-x orgtbl-mode, cut and paste in the list
example, hit C-c C-c => wrong type argument: commandp, nil

So I get: tables work, but only with minor mode orgtbl-mode and not in org-mode.
Lists work, but only in orgmode and not with minor mode orgtbl-mode.

Is this as intended?  Or, does it even work this way for anyone else?

Re: orgtbl mode puzzle

[Carsten Dominik]

Hi Nigel,

radio tables and list are not supposed to work in org-mode,
only in other buffers with orgtbl-mode (for tables) and
orgstruct-mode (for lists) activated.

Things work OK for tables, but there is a new bug in the list part.
I have asked Nicolas to take a look.

- Carsten

On Oct 15, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Nigel Beck wrote:

> I'm not sure if I'm understanding orgtbl mode correctly per
> http://orgmode.org/manual/Tables-in-arbitrary-syntax.html#Tables-in-arbitrary-syntax 
> ,
> but here is my experience (using the latest code from git).
>
> 1) Make something.org, cut and paste in the table from the latex  
> example
> http://orgmode.org/manual/A-LaTeX-example.html#A-LaTeX-example, hit  
> C-c
> C-c => nothing happens
> 2) Make something.txt, do M-x orgtbl-mode, cut and paste in the table
> from the latex example, hit C-c C-c => latex table is inserted.
> 3) Make something.org, cut and paste a list from the list example
> http://orgmode.org/manual/Radio-lists.html#Radio-lists, hit C-c C-c =>
> latex list is inserted.
> 4) Make something.txt, do M-x orgtbl-mode, cut and paste in the list
> example, hit C-c C-c => wrong type argument: commandp, nil
>
> So I get: tables work, but only with minor mode orgtbl-mode and not  
> in org-mode.
> Lists work, but only in orgmode and not with minor mode orgtbl-mode.
>
> Is this as intended?  Or, does it even work this way for anyone else?
>
>
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Re: orgtbl mode puzzle

[Nigel Beck]

Carsten - thanks for the reply.  I had thought of using radio tables to
splice in the table details while putting some nice handiwork around the
table column headers (for example, having a column header span multiple
columns in the final draft(s) of a doc).

Is there an alternative approach you'd recommend?  I understand the
notion is to avoid "infecting" org-mode docs overly much with the
details of different export targets; at the same time, as a doc moves to
final draft at times such things appear unavoiding to get the desired layout.


Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi Nigel,
>
> radio tables and list are not supposed to work in org-mode,
> only in other buffers with orgtbl-mode (for tables) and
> orgstruct-mode (for lists) activated.
>
> Things work OK for tables, but there is a new bug in the list part.
> I have asked Nicolas to take a look.
>
> - Carsten
>
> On Oct 15, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Nigel Beck wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure if I'm understanding orgtbl mode correctly per
>> http://orgmode.org/manual/Tables-in-arbitrary-syntax.html#Tables-in-arbitrary-syntax
>> ,
>> but here is my experience (using the latest code from git).
>>
>> 1) Make something.org, cut and paste in the table from the latex
>> example
>> http://orgmode.org/manual/A-LaTeX-example.html#A-LaTeX-example, hit
>> C-c
>> C-c => nothing happens
>> 2) Make something.txt, do M-x orgtbl-mode, cut and paste in the table
>> from the latex example, hit C-c C-c => latex table is inserted.
>> 3) Make something.org, cut and paste a list from the list example
>> http://orgmode.org/manual/Radio-lists.html#Radio-lists, hit C-c C-c =>
>> latex list is inserted.
>> 4) Make something.txt, do M-x orgtbl-mode, cut and paste in the list
>> example, hit C-c C-c => wrong type argument: commandp, nil
>>
>> So I get: tables work, but only with minor mode orgtbl-mode and not
>> in org-mode.
>> Lists work, but only in orgmode and not with minor mode orgtbl-mode.
>>
>> Is this as intended?  Or, does it even work this way for anyone else?
>>
>>
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>
>
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