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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: org-mode mailing list Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1647783782; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=L12wXKW/Trb02e3TapWvJxj0oRWklmU8CfpP5US306M=; b=ie8yA94mxqgJ+nFZn6rhyAM5DrcjTwmMUQZmIeFKPqBAYGOByAQfflC5oCuMy6y0Ciw6M9 O3ZiRLPK0MPffOhE/etMpNvH3LT59gHNaZCHvAVbmtEhN6WSJsHv3Uuh3v8q0XPZKmb9iC Dxo0RtAKmg9aufIM6o8GfdF5k8zunCARoFJZC6ky/e91o28zYh9CXRqmuHUCy/i1SunKga gwgP3gzetSUTOUJxXdKiOZQyqyzYRPqty35GFekM7AbOFgBQXXmDyRqOwwxqwYzTW5JmAh Kd1Rtj04S2TirhlqVKMWMJ1R4KJOkApssWAw78C0H4/aOHWvFv5MG2wcg5ZiBg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1647783782; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=BCm8wXXpuzovDx7cfNJ9e3WDSjkGKhlPHoC8oG3wC49veXabjgltXz6lSfRumen9Ssmmxz jCvPLtB69e1LooMZze6gUcb8uuW9HQDc4OGUXP7t8NiDAdyGtxd9eiQiU9XDLmceE2DqYP HVKuupNEqwfm6UWtjeymI8rQb+3xsS+XrBLZO5RuSIIs+OdYnT/xFGANvTdx15a0nzAooV jz1xwOmk3pGHzDRxvqRL3HaaQbGIX4vhPdD6RRxE0ufpZB14RI9JGD096uPA3du49gUXLW +sRTI0y3nsvwDUgbyPdxoQ7t8Hj+jAlC6vbijaskuXnyAXEySq4EGyZwZ0G8Dg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b="SysSLK/Y"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.43 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b="SysSLK/Y"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 5A4731A69A X-Spam-Score: -9.43 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 6U6FDH9raIyR Vikas Rawal writes: > What is the general view of the community about this? Is there a > comprehensive discussion of pros and cons of each? Prof. Kitchin himself provided a summary on why he decided to give up on using org-cite. See https://github.com/jkitchin/org-ref/issues/892 > What is everyone doing? I was an org-ref user for long before I switched to > org-cite. I can now shift to citar but since I am an ivy user, the switch > is not trivial. Also, I like many helper functions that John has created, > and would have to miss those if I do not use org-ref/org-ref-cite. I personally used org-ref for a long time simply because no alternatives. I dislike org-ref because Prof. Kitchin prefers to do things in very specific way and it is not always possible to customise them. It is hard to use only a part of org-ref without using everything and getting surprising behaviour. Now, I am trying to switch to org-cite + .org files as bibliography. But the whole thing is an ad-hoc mess. For citar, why not simply using ivy-bibtex? It supports org-cite, AFAIK. Best, Ihor