From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Tim Cross Subject: Re: ob-clojure should not tangle with inserting (ns ..) line when no :ns specified. Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 08:22:19 +1100 Message-ID: <87tvjtkmwk.fsf@gmail.com> References: <877egvj6l2.fsf@gmail.com> <87a7lq1cn1.fsf@gmail.com> <87woorm8jn.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38598) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gUI9M-0008Ck-Ij for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2018 16:22:37 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gUI9K-0006Hn-JL for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2018 16:22:36 -0500 Received: from mail-pg1-x534.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::534]:35262) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gUI9H-0006F3-2i for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2018 16:22:32 -0500 Received: by mail-pg1-x534.google.com with SMTP id s198so7963894pgs.2 for ; Tue, 04 Dec 2018 13:22:29 -0800 (PST) In-reply-to: <87woorm8jn.fsf@gmail.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: numbchild@gmail.com Cc: org-mode Sorry, only just noticed this response in my spam folder - gmail is tagging your messages as spam because it could not verify it was legit. stardiviner writes: > Tim Cross writes: > >> I think the problem here is that really, project.clj is not a valid >> clojure source file. It is really a clojure data file or clojure >> snippet (I mean in the sense that you cannot execute it or include it as >> a dependency within a clojure program - it is input data for the lein >> build tool). If lein was being developed from scratch today, rather than >> project.clj, you would probably have project.edn. > > Actually a few months ago, Sean on Slack clojurians helped me out for > using clj and deps.edn. Just because of habit inertia. I'm still using > Leiningen. As you said, the Clojure community is moving to clj/clojure + > deps.edn. I decide to following the trend. Start to use it now. > >> >> The question is, should we allow setting ns to nil/"", preventing >> inclusion of a ns line, which would make 'real' clojure source files >> invalid just to support this edge case or should we consider an >> alternative solution e.g. >> >> - have a 'lein-project' source type which could perhaps provide >> additional support for editing project.clj files (as I suspect lein is >> on the way out - replaced with things like clj or boot) >> - try using edn-mode and having support for edn as a valid language >> type. I've never used edn mode and I'm not 100% certain project.clj >> and edn are completely compatible. >> >> It seems to me that the preferred build tool is likely to become clj or >> derivatives of clj. I've noticed increasingly longer delays in new lein >> releases (the 'reflection' warning has been there for nearly 12 months >> now, as has the incorrect classpath warning on some platforms). >> >> In the long-term, I think org would probably benefit from integration >> with clj rather than cider for ob-clojure as it is likely to be more >> stable and less complex. Using cider has always felt like pushing a >> square peg into a round hole to me. > > I remember we have a short discussion about ob-clojure use clj instead > of CIDER before. I totally agree on this. Seems already has an Emacs > package named "inf-clojure". I added this "integrate inf-clojure to > ob-clojure" as my task. But not sure when to check it out. I have many > tasks on my list. I have an idea, would you create an GitHub repo for > this? I would like to contribute on it. > > As I said previous, if I use "deps.edn", use `edn-mode' would solve this > problem. But there is no `edn-mode'. I checked out MELPA, only has > package named "edn" which is used to Support for reading and writing the > edn data format from elisp. I also did a search on GitHub. No luck. > > Anyway, I'm going to switch to clj + deps.edn > > And Thanks, @Tim. At present, I have no time to work on any clojure. I'm completely consumed with work demands and unfortunately, I've not convinced them to allow me to use Clojre/clojurescript (yet!), so stuck in javascript world for now. I will have leave in the early year and will likely re-visit this. I too need to move from lein to clj + edn. It would be really good to simplify the org interface for clojre and clojurescript and I suspect clj + edn will be the way to go. The older inf-clojure was OK, but it lacked some higher level features we do need as well, so it will take a bit of work. Tim -- Tim Cross