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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=rRHWMQka; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.71 X-TUID: C1KgKDuMNVUJ --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Daniele Nicolodi writes: > Acceptance criterion for what? Adoption of what? > > It seems to me that some see a the adoption of a simplified=20 > version of > the Org markup language outside Emacs and the org-mode=20 > implementation as > something desirable. However, I don't see what the Org community=20 > would > gain from that. >=20 > [...] >=20 > As explained many times now, you don't a formal specification=20 > for this: > the specification is the org-mode implementation itself. > > However, I will not discourage anyone from working on some form=20 > of > standardization, other than pointing out that IMO it is an=20 > exercise with > very limited usefulness, impact and future. I think there are absolutely some benefits for Org users. I am personally interested in registering Org as an IANA MIME type. What will this do? Well, for starters I'd like to be able to=20 attach org files without the type being recognised as "application/vnd.lotus-organizer" =F0=9F=A4=A2. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/vnd.lotus-organizer Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=test.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Iyt0aXRsZTogQSB0ZXN0CiMrYXV0aG9yOiBteXNlbGYKCiogQW4gZWxlbWVudApTb21lIHRleHQg Cg== --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I also think it's to our benefit that non-Emacsers become more comfortable with seeing an org file --- as I see it that improves=20 our chances that we can directly share Org files with them, which they=20 might be comfortable editing and sending back for example, or that a=20 generic tool might think to support Org files. So I'd like to assure you that my interest in improving=20 recognition and support for Org is motivated by selfish reasons =F0=9F=98=9B which just so= =20 happen to potentially benefit non-Emacsers. I hope that clarifies my view of the proposal, Timothy --=-=-=--