From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id cAFnJ6lgAWHDOQEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2021 15:50:33 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id 4AjbIqlgAWF3TQAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2021 13:50:33 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E5853908 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2021 15:50:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:50052 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m8jx9-0002TU-5o for larch@yhetil.org; Wed, 28 Jul 2021 09:50:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52040) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m8jvu-00010o-2g for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Jul 2021 09:49:14 -0400 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:37705) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m8jvq-0006b0-TA for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Jul 2021 09:49:12 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED5B8240027 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2021 15:49:06 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1627480147; bh=Mn+8z/9CFkasT5JCCLErhWWdSfSZlK3n6kMEdQxcYUM=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=BFjW2+d4kujBCfF9sSaNSfPuEVSIpUAO8IWhA+yjBxjOf19yxt5stTzDD7l+MIemE OE+0vWrF5zr8wOdKyfSZ1P6Xj3gGmajrSlNJbP+yAzPONSeKHhW/T4+iJz/9L5ZHgm hOL9ECqk78IDN75TrW0XGTTbsut1mEV5QUfftzi1Umik06jeqEVbqyQ2LRCgVd759a 4c1wmEuVIupxizwl6KP7y0zi4AKOH8plny+KevVifPg+3W7IxPUQdsoAWl2RBL671V 8DpKNpW/W0Prbbpmko7J1QoX5a3v3Md5ZfxgExEpvfHLvlEpExMHgaVXoFn+EwpZgU wcMDtBoGdUx6Q== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4GZZl6343Jz6tmZ; Wed, 28 Jul 2021 15:49:06 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Juan_Manuel_Mac=C3=ADas?= To: Maxim Nikulin Subject: Re: Multilingual quotes inside paragraphs References: <87mtq9zatr.fsf@posteo.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 13:49:05 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Maxim Nikulin's message of "Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:13:37 +0700") Message-ID: <87tukeim5q.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=maciaschain@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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Maxim Nikulin writes: > Are you intentionally avoiding macros {{{lang(ru, =D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BA=D1= =81=D1=82)}}}? Yes. Precisely, these experiments are just an attempt to find an alternative to macros (I use macros a lot). In scenarios like these (chunks of text) is where the issue of the comma as a escape character in macros becomes more evident (this comma issue has been discussed in a past thread, and some interesting proposals were made). Links and macros, of course, have their pros and cons. > It seems, you are abusing links a bit. I'm afraid it's true :-). Anyway I think the links have a great potential. I have tried exploring other "eccentric" uses of links, for example here (to export subfigures to LaTeX and HTML): https://orgmode.org/list/87mty1an66.fsf@posteo.net/ or also in my org-critical-edition package, to work on (philological) critical editions from Org: https://gitlab.com/maciaschain/org-critical-edition > [...] > Another issue is that someone will almost immediately want to put such > quote inside link or vice versa to make some fragment of a quote a > regular link. Yes, that issue you describe would be one of the biggest drawbacks for the use of links in these contexts. Links (or macros) are a good user-level solution to solve certain specific cases, IMHO. At a native level (in case Org someday implement consistent and native multilingual support), I don't know what would be the best solution for multilingual chunks of text inside paragraphs. Maybe some kind of inline `quote' block? Best regards, Juan Manuel=20