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This was never in the scope of the very simple > issue I want solved. FYI, I feel like you two and some other people in the thread are talking about the same thing and simply misunderstand the terms used in each-other's explanations. > All that remains is to work out a good interface to make it easy to set > the correct timestamp type (i.e. in local time or UTC) based on the > requirements for that meeting (which is determined by whether the > meeting has any participants in different time zones). How sophisticated > we want ot make this is undecided. My simple sugestion wa that have the > commands which insert timestamps use the universal argument - when > called with the universal argument, set the timestamp using UTC and when > it isn't, set it as it is now (or set it with the local TZ added, based > on user preference). Universal argument is already taken to insert time in addition to date. I instead suggest allowing `org-read-date' provide completion interface for TZ once user presses @ (for example) in the date prompt. When the user press Z (for example), @UTC is inserted and the user can simply add +XX or -XX as needed to complete the UTC offset. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at