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Do I understand you correctly that you mean tab should cycle visibility in this case? * headline some text CURSOR IS HERE =2D a list For me tab is useful as it is, because it indents whatever I am writing right now. That could be a list-item or a source-block or a verse. Org is not just for outlining but also for full-blown writing, and that would be disrupted if tab were to fold the entry away that I=E2=80=99m curr= ently writing in. 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