From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Achim Gratz Subject: Re: Remove Org from Emacs repository? Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 11:42:05 +0100 Message-ID: <87shpkyzcy.fsf@Rainer.invalid> References: <871sx5pp6u.fsf@laptoptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51655) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cIvOc-0004PW-Oh for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2016 05:42:19 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cIvOZ-0006wz-Hw for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2016 05:42:18 -0500 Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=36197 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cIvOZ-0006wc-B4 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2016 05:42:15 -0500 Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cIvOS-0001BI-Ps for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2016 11:42:08 +0100 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Reuben Thomas writes: > ​Org is nearly 90kLOC, or about 6.5% of the total ELisp code currently in > Emacs. It's bigger than CEDET, smaller than GNUS. Within the whole of Emacs, an argument about size doesn't make any sense at all. It's also quite arbitrary, as some functionality that comes with Org could or even should be factored out into their own packages eventually. > It's a project of its own with its own release cadence. It would be good to > make Emacs less of a monolithic entity, which needs lengthy debugging > cycles between releases, and has to choose between being out of date with > various upstreams, or delaying to test integration of big packages. That needs to be discussed with Emacs devs, not Org (or any other package that fits a similar profile). And it has been discussed in the past, with somewhat interesting responses on both sides. > Now that package.el is mature, there's no need for Emacs to include all > this stuff in its source releases. That assertion isn't universally accepted as true. Org in particular continues to show how the integration into Emacs as well as some functionality in package.el itself is still lacking. True packetization of Emacs' "built-in" packages is further hindered by the fact that package.el is currently solely "user-centric" and lacks the usual facilities for curating package selection at the installation level. > ​No, I was just testing the waters to see if a more modern approach to > development and distribution might be popular. Apparently the answer is, at > least, not yet! Again, that's ultimately something for GNU Emacs to decide upon. But it doesn't come free nor is all the necessary infrastructure in place yet. Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ SD adaptation for Waldorf Blofeld V1.15B11: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSDada