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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Tom Gillespie , org-mode-email , Bruce D'Arcus Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=2; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1628868461; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=HuEU7ZgD3zXI1rCR7bwGAOyZmmxyX88Slv+aTLos1ws=; b=Mua9iLc7sSrCRV8KgLifobWZIWDz95GYCwDkBZ0OSReF7j6xqeyIaAY1/30i2OA3Thym+A w2yLzu/Q7GyjAusnW14ZyCpQZkFPFHH+wO5KRgHwJqfj4+XVf1jVRcVlQNN+SRIjVJiM6y rCJ4ZNoDG4y9x5hmG2T1sbmdEO1n7MqZTx8avfArw+0422PkVVNcVjLu0bwAvNvU8rPxbO aCuMEZxJl9GWPI9TVInXPIyFrigSTzdUWOboSKxF4ZBU6kvS7Inm+nGMtMXha2xipKO3ss kuaQtwzujOT+qpkVLHUKBjf6PX8j9qxw+bNMFV7H0djY570NH1k5hz/crTIloQ== ARC-Seal: i=2; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1628868461; a=rsa-sha256; cv=pass; b=ga4+mLJeYIXn6EvTyldaraQn8bLRfFr9KHftlfS4lhqNMFCJmyTk4/RTzIjlWfovQqXyPl 7gc7GDqQZoReCAnZLMPSSZvaBFhI3zZDHK2RXfX9vi8ilPEpEm1lvge416pLavIstsfqOm yFgD+5kdwE/zUCQijSWrEYABJl8f4K0uErzaO0KSjlf05yKGRFqwJeeX0yGeuwZGQ+qVE2 8092FTbOit09PTThbFOE+jb4fd1PczV+Rqud2pBSTikpCFPJf5W4vdbJw3IiEwFXQByCgQ Z9Xc7UX3WYn1o3MztFGk585doGG3CF9UZUO7l+UbPNJlRKVdHsPYMwKu/RWhZA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=2; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=ucl.ac.uk header.s=selector1 header.b="H/K3HANi"; arc=pass ("microsoft.com:s=arcselector9901:i=1"); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.11 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=ucl.ac.uk header.s=selector1 header.b="H/K3HANi"; arc=pass ("microsoft.com:s=arcselector9901:i=1"); dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=ucl.ac.uk; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 772881BC10 X-Spam-Score: -3.11 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: sbtplLaYpkeL Hello John & co., I need to chime in when it comes to the UI: On Thursday, 12 Aug 2021 at 13:19, John Kitchin wrote: > I would say the UI that I like, have used for many years, and is the > default of org-ref is: > > 1. You type C-c ] to insert a citation > 2. You type C-u C-c ] to insert a cross-reference > 3. you type C-u C-u C-c ] to insert a new label. UI is a very personal thing. So long as there are 3 different functions that implement these actions, I would be happy. Despite using Emacs for approximately 35 years, I use evil mode to avoid making my RSI worse (RSI due originally to mouse use in the 80s, not Emacs ;-)). In that context, typing C-u is not ideal. (C-c is worse, mind you.) I have a "," leader key to which I add org specific commands when in org mode. Just my 2=C2=A2. In terms of the bigger picture, citations and cross-references, to me, are different things (one is external and the other usually internal, respectively) and I see no benefit in conflating them. I am also still not convinced that org links are not sufficient but I don't mind if there is a new syntax for cross-references, if this is deemed beneficial. However, these feelings (as opposed to the UI issue) are not strong and will easily adapt to whatever is decided. eric --=20 : Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org release_9.4.6-625-ge7454c : Latest paper written in org: https://arxiv.org/abs/2106.05096