From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp12.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id UI6HJtLzM2OTagEAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 09:12:18 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp12.migadu.com with LMTPS id +MJQJtLzM2MMWgAAauVa8A (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 09:12:18 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E76A3F106 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 09:12:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:33168 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1odREu-0002r0-Ju for larch@yhetil.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 03:12:16 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37532) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1odQXd-0008AD-Lg for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 02:27:37 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52650) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1odQXc-0000dd-6U; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 02:27:32 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To: From; bh=NSbXzjCPJiMrEhw4VoPMHThP1xQtR+tCUOStYCLNbCc=; b=Qr4AkJMvqJYpW5ldzBip qy8Al+S/09vMI4TDy+m9E/13AB6Ofj4C9tw+AobrnRsXFNf88EwHrCA01PGmljzjU0bPRAJMARwXi HJ3X/udCOKH8sRSxhcmO5h1yQ1T0Tjf1GxrD03RwxtoDneiqBrHxVaSqZiz1RAkQUNDWfrpdS6Wwh dq8tOQu0cyWjDMuAr568KoIgbcz5jEfmc5voWUiK9ojVpCXii7FpeVhTzb3F+iX2Hc8tjklPKi2aX AvAm3nPMMtzjfkimdB7Mc4AsoOzfFJ4ds3+65D17Fzf4Ri5+fqBlQPUQpkTBaioLvgeqVv8YVkPwS YTSgfJ3hsFiyww==; Received: from 96.52.140.77.rev.sfr.net ([77.140.52.96]:57722 helo=hal) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1odQXY-0007TZ-JQ; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 02:27:30 -0400 Received: by hal (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 528741E0413; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:27:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Bastien To: Timothy Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Ihor Radchenko , Payas Relekar Subject: Re: Org ML integration with an existing Discourse instance In-Reply-To: <87leq4uwdd.fsf@tec.tecosaur.net> (Timothy's message of "Wed, 28 Sep 2022 09:10:59 +0800") Organization: GNU References: <878rm6wsfv.fsf@gmail.com> <87edvxnnqw.fsf@localhost> <87o7v0h6qp.fsf@gnu.org> <87leq4uwdd.fsf@tec.tecosaur.net> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:27:26 +0200 Message-ID: <87sfkc10a9.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1664349138; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=NSbXzjCPJiMrEhw4VoPMHThP1xQtR+tCUOStYCLNbCc=; b=gfPpa2D7vf+tvclEQtGQn1vJ/Xp9674/ujg0FLtzb0pfDXUwaRk2Pua7t3fnIzsn+E9AQF n7BdpZ96VFNExp50fvws2yli8EeyOXVaz6OTxEiKO8zUTe+Mb/P1MvAzE1dgwUqIWV6b+d veE53lpQIbL+vBZI9D4Uy6kvSwsthXgDyE4tivjlg0BL+VUegvj21B2zDx6kqZf0ImT1ba Fz8P45NOPpVsNY9MpU/KKiYfcrE8N1nNHn49hzJ5ZTqYtD7byjUe1b8IEPWrD91/+4dZ2e yzMgHvHKNJa2Q2jPS6AQ+rSE1q9yLwu8+JcrTSOCnuiOWKuG3jsgNOoG5ihdZQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1664349138; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=heN+P5brbNf028+hF9kneE6WOHn0VA9taBY9HoeNyPOlQQgWvJxQ0MnElzT8TYItVCl92d wKUjkTXUrBBQqLpenMMjaby/xkgRXKCOrFL5PC4U4UOQwqwHHH3G7KwwYTFDALcRXSzJ3w sXPBx8YJCZoUPdIT8ZfZ8yZojCsaY3TStKr/I/8uDuBsLSTk0t626mNKFFHX9e5awG3Jr3 F9P4l/mn5ZZMyGwC2PcBRr+XN4O25qGq8KVyfbYC2Gm/W/lYh31d+U0P9UTUYacvzjbXVp h6zRijZI9eF9wTI1EmSDQRPJ25ocUS2FNtvgHCzoxc1T6HbOsME6XYCGxrGvxg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=Qr4AkJMv; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.05 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=Qr4AkJMv; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4E76A3F106 X-Spam-Score: -5.05 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: m5+WzBEVwMU7 Hi Timothy, Timothy writes: >> Not just this: I=E2=80=99m concerned with setting up a user-to-user disc= ussion >> space that reify a split between users (on a forum) and developers (on >> the mailing list). > > For what it=E2=80=99s worth, as a developer I=E2=80=99d be very intereste= d in the ability of a > forum to categorise feature requests/bug reports/workflow discussions, et= c. But then the ML and the forum would compete with each other from a maintainer's point a view: the ones using solely the ML would not get the same information than the ones using the forum. >> If a community-driven Discourse instance for Org emerges, that will be >> a good thing: people could go there instead (or on top) of SO/reddit >> if they don=E2=80=99t want/like to interact on a mailing list. > > We could canvas reddit for example to see if the people currently on ther= e would > be interested in an Org discourse. Yes, but mentioning that this would not be "the" Org discourse (not forum.orgmode.org), just "a" Org forum maintained by X for the benefit of the whole Org community (which is not really a thing actually, just a mental shortcut for "every Org user out there"). It would be a good outcome to have such a forum: I'd be more comfy recommending users to ask questions there iff they don't want/like sharing questions on the ML than recommending them using reddit and the like. All best, --=20 Bastien