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From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: Jack Kamm <jackkamm@gmail.com>
Cc: Liu Hui <liuhui1610@gmail.com>, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ob-python: support header argument `:results file graphics'
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2023 09:12:59 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sf9x8n38.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87h6qe1pa2.fsf@gmail.com>

Jack Kamm <jackkamm@gmail.com> writes:

> Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:
>
>> Your patch appear to only add more confusion, IMHO.
>>
>> I feel that the description about :results file is confusing from the
>> very beginning:
>
> Well, I guess ":results file" has confusing behavior. So it's
> difficult to write accurate, comprehensive, non-confusing
> documentation for it ;)

Not necessarily confusing. We just need to clearly separate :results
file, :results graphics file, and :results file link.

":results file" imply that results of the code block are written to a file
(the file is specified using header args).

":results file link" imply that results of the code block are interpreted
as file link. The fact that presence of :file header arg overrides this
behaviour is something we may want to reconsider - it is confusing.

":results graphics file" imply that graphics generated during code block
execution is saved to file specified in the :file header args.
This feature is only available for some backends that can derive
graphics data from the source block. When :file is not specified, using
the actual code block output is confusing, and we may want to reconsider
this behaviour.

>> :results file may currently imply three things:
>>
>> 1. Results of evaluation are the _contents_ of a file
>> 2. Results of evaluation are the path to a file
>> 3. Results of evaluation are discarded and Org just inserts a constant
>>    link, derived from header arguments.
> ...
> Laying out the 3 behaviors this way seems clearer.
>
> But I disagree that ":results graphics" means (3). It can behave as
> (1) or (3), depending on the language. 
>
> In practice (1) is the more common usage by far [*], and is also the
> original intended use case [**].

Sorry, but I do not fully understand.
Generated graphics is not what Org sees as "results of evaluation".
I think it is well illustrated by

  #+begin_src R :file img.png
  hist(rnorm(100))
  "img.png is going to contain this string."
  #+end_src

  #+begin_src R :file img.png :results graphics
  hist(rnorm(100))
  "But now img.png is going to contain graphics."
  #+end_src

The latter has nothing to do with block output, which is a string.

-- 
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  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-09  9:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-03  4:31 [PATCH] ob-python: support header argument `:results file graphics' Liu Hui
2023-07-03  9:28 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-03 10:40   ` Liu Hui
2023-07-03 11:41     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-03 13:23       ` Liu Hui
2023-07-04 11:29         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-05  5:23           ` Jack Kamm
2023-07-05 11:05             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-06  2:49               ` Jack Kamm
2023-07-07 10:53                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-08 13:55                   ` Jack Kamm
2023-07-09  9:12                     ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2023-07-12  5:10                       ` Jack Kamm
2023-07-12  8:38                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-14  2:47                           ` Jack Kamm
2023-07-05  8:09           ` Liu Hui
2023-07-05  4:55   ` Jack Kamm
2023-07-07 10:56     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-05  5:13 ` Jack Kamm
2023-07-05  8:11   ` Liu Hui
2023-07-06  3:49     ` Jack Kamm
2023-07-06  9:54       ` Liu Hui
2023-07-08 13:59         ` Jack Kamm

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