From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: "Juan Manuel Macías" <maciaschain@posteo.net>
Cc: orgmode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [proof of concept] inline language blocks
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2024 12:00:29 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sf1mrpr6.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87edd6ytiy.fsf@posteo.net>
Juan Manuel Macías <maciaschain@posteo.net> writes:
> Ihor Radchenko writes:
>> This is a good idea, although it would be better to make this new markup
>> element within the framework of more general inline special block we
>> discussed in the past: https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/87a6b8pbhg.fsf@posteo.net/
>
> Fun fact: the local branch is called inline-special-block, because I
> originally had that idea in mind when I created it. Then, halfway
> through, I doubted whether it wouldn't be better to have a specific
> inline language selector, whose use would be as direct as an emphasis
> mark. So in the branch there is also a "proto"-inline-special-block with
> similar syntax: &foo{}.
>
> I opted for the -language-block version because, as I said, its use is
> very 'direct' and covers a common need to segment multilingual text
> within the paragraph.
My main point is that we should use the same syntax with inline special
blocks. Similar to how #+begin_verse uses the same syntax as special
blocks.
We need to finalize inline special block syntax first, and then talk
about special cases like inline language markup you propose.
> I think at the time we also discussed whether or not it would be a good
> idea to provide the inline special blocks with options and attributes,
> like their older brothers. And how to do it. My biggest concern here is
> the (let's say) latexification of the paragraph. I mean, one of the
> great things about Org versus heavier markup like LaTeX is that when org
> wants to be verbose it uses dedicated lines, but usually keeps the
> paragraphs clean and readable. I think that any element inside the
> paragraph should tend to be as "transparent" as simple emphasis marks.
>
> I remember that there was also discussion about puting the options
> outside the paragraph, using some type of identifier. It doesn't seem
> like a bad idea to me, but I think it adds an extra complication for the
> user. It would be very tedious for me to write like this (even more
> tedious than writing in LaTeX).
I still believe that we should /allow/ options inside inline block-type
markup. This is often necessary in practice. For example, I recommend
studying
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Wikitext#Templates_and_transcluding_pages
and how they had to use ugly |... extensions to provide options.
But it does not mean that users /have to/ use these options. In fact, we
might design the inline language blocks to ignore options.
--
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-02-21 19:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-02-20 20:35 [proof of concept] inline language blocks Juan Manuel Macías
2024-02-21 8:42 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-02-21 10:57 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2024-02-21 12:00 ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2024-02-21 12:53 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2024-02-21 13:10 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-02-21 14:13 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2024-02-21 20:32 ` [proof of concept] inline-special-block (was: [proof of concept] inline language blocks) Juan Manuel Macías
2024-02-21 23:29 ` [proof of concept] inline-special-block Juan Manuel Macías
2024-02-22 22:03 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2024-02-21 22:11 ` [proof of concept] inline language blocks Samuel Wales
2024-02-21 22:28 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2024-02-21 22:55 ` Samuel Wales
2024-02-21 23:02 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2024-02-28 10:29 ` Max Nikulin
2024-02-28 13:15 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2024-02-28 17:21 ` Max Nikulin
2024-02-28 23:42 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2024-02-29 7:05 ` Max Nikulin
2024-02-29 10:41 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2024-02-29 12:05 ` Max Nikulin
2024-02-29 12:50 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2024-02-21 23:33 ` Suhail Singh
2024-03-31 14:56 ` Daniel Clemente
2024-03-31 15:20 ` Ihor Radchenko
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
List information: https://www.orgmode.org/
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=87sf1mrpr6.fsf@localhost \
--to=yantar92@posteo.net \
--cc=emacs-orgmode@gnu.org \
--cc=maciaschain@posteo.net \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this public inbox
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for read-only IMAP folder(s) and NNTP newsgroup(s).