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In-Reply-To: <87h676fvdn.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Sat, 14 Dec 2024 09:48:20 +0000") References: <87h676fvdn.fsf@localhost> Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; keydata= mDMEZBBQQhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAHJuofBrfqFh12uQu0Yi7mrl525F28eTmwUDflFNmdui0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiWBBMWCAA+FiEEDg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwMFCQHhM4AFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwulikAEA77hloUiSrXgFkUVJhlKBpLCHUjA0 mWZ9j9w5d08+jVwBAK6c4iGP7j+/PhbkxaEKa4V3MzIl7zJkcNNjHCXmvFcEuDgEZBBQQhIKKwYB BAGXVQEFAQEHQI5NLiLRjZy3OfSt1dhCmFyn+fN/QKELUYQetiaoe+MMAwEIB4h+BBgWCAAmFiEE Dg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwwFCQHhM4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwukm+wEA8cml4JpK NeAu65rg+auKrPOP6TP/4YWRCTIvuYDm0joBALw98AMz7/qMHvSCeU/hw9PL6u6R2EScxtpKnWof z4oM OpenPGP: id=philipk@posteo.net; url="https://keys.openpgp.org/vks/v1/by-email/philipk@posteo.net"; preference=signencrypt Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 10:12:44 +0000 Message-ID: <87seqqshcz.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 05:26:18 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.41 X-Spam-Score: -1.41 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B3BC6889E1 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-TUID: Kwi+KADxZbGH Can I please be removed from the CCs in this thread? Ihor Radchenko writes: > Psionic K writes: > >>> intercepts the main loop > >> This is optional, per transient menu (prefix) and the commands within it. >> A common technique, used by magit and others, is to have entry point >> commands in the regular keymap so that many commands can be started without >> traversing several menus. If you want normal un-shadowed bindings active >> at the same time, the prefix has a slot called `transient-non-suffix' that >> is similar to the `:suppress' option in keymaps or setting a `t' >> `undefined' binding in a keymap. However the results of mixing self-insert >> and modal or modal and another modal are generally bad. > > Thanks for the info! > So, we can have something like > > :transient-non-suffix 'leave > > and then pressing something that is not bound to a suffix or infix will > run the parent keymap command, automatically leaving transient state. > >> - Normalizing how to obtain arguments when being called independently as an >> interactive command versus being called as a Transient suffix > > I think it is addressed in the example patch I shared. There, we pass > around the original function arguments via macro expansion (!arg-name) > > ["Open" ("b" "bibliography entry" (org-cite-basic-goto !citation !prefix))] > >> In the short term, to punch the first two problems in the face, override >> the `:setup-children' method. If you know what keymap you are borrowing >> bindings from, you can synchronize it at display time. > > This is also partially solved. We do use :setup-children, although the > initial implementation simply reads user customization into menu layout. > > I believe that we can read a keymap in similar way and generate > transient layout automatically. > >> What I fear is a system like org-speed-keys which relies on an override of >> `org-self-insert' and is yet another orthogonal system. I much prefer the >> Lispy style of integration, which uses a keymap. Using keymaps, even if >> they are not active, to generate transient key bindings via :setup-children >> is the best way to have certain integration with other Emacs tools. > > May you please elaborate?