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* Can I input multiline in a cell?
@ 2011-02-15 21:10 Wang Coeus
  2011-02-15 23:32 ` suvayu ali
  2011-02-16 17:24 ` brian powell
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Wang Coeus @ 2011-02-15 21:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Hi all,
I am using org-mode for some note, there is a table and I need to input
a lot text in one cell, is there possible that I input multiline and
output also show as multiline?
-- 
Coeus
In the middle of every difficulty lies opportunity.
		-- Albert Einstein

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* Re: Can I input multiline in a cell?
  2011-02-15 21:10 Can I input multiline in a cell? Wang Coeus
@ 2011-02-15 23:32 ` suvayu ali
  2011-02-16  6:06   ` Wang Coeus
  2011-02-16 17:24 ` brian powell
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: suvayu ali @ 2011-02-15 23:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Wang Coeus; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Wang Coeus <wangcoeus@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I am using org-mode for some note, there is a table and I need to input
> a lot text in one cell, is there possible that I input multiline and
> output also show as multiline?

org-mode tables doesn't support multi-line cells. For that you have to
use table.el tables. As far as I recall there is an option for that in
the Org main menu.

> --
> Coeus

GL

-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

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* Re: Can I input multiline in a cell?
  2011-02-15 23:32 ` suvayu ali
@ 2011-02-16  6:06   ` Wang Coeus
  2011-02-16  9:42     ` Bastien
  2011-02-16 11:18     ` suvayu ali
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Wang Coeus @ 2011-02-16  6:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

suvayu ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com> writes:

> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Wang Coeus <wangcoeus@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I am using org-mode for some note, there is a table and I need to input
>> a lot text in one cell, is there possible that I input multiline and
>> output also show as multiline?
>
> org-mode tables doesn't support multi-line cells. For that you have to
> use table.el tables. As far as I recall there is an option for that in
> the Org main menu.
>
>> --
>> Coeus
>
> GL
Will org consider to support this in future? I just think org table is
more convenient than table.el. Thanks a lot for the help.

-- 
Coeus
In the middle of every difficulty lies opportunity.
		-- Albert Einstein

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* Re: Re: Can I input multiline in a cell?
  2011-02-16  6:06   ` Wang Coeus
@ 2011-02-16  9:42     ` Bastien
  2011-02-16 17:48       ` brian powell
  2011-02-16 20:20       ` Wang Coeus
  2011-02-16 11:18     ` suvayu ali
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2011-02-16  9:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Wang Coeus; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Hi Wang,

Wang Coeus <wangcoeus@gmail.com> writes:

> Will org consider to support this in future? 

There is no plan for this right now.

But what about cheating a bit and play with the _display_ of the table?

| Header      | Header |
|-------------+--------|
| I want to   |        |
| write stuff |        |
| on several  |        |
| lines       |        |

You should be able to export this table to HTML or LaTeX and simulate a
multiline cell on the first column.  Just a workaround, but could do in
some situations.

Also, note that you can shrink the cell length by adding <length>:

     |---+------------------------------|               |---+--------|
     |   |                              |               |   | <6>    |
     | 1 | one                          |               | 1 | one    |
     | 2 | two                          |     ----\     | 2 | two    |
     | 3 | This is a long chunk of text |     ----/     | 3 | This=> |
     | 4 | four                         |               | 4 | four   |
     |---+------------------------------|               |---+--------|

which helps having long text in a single-line cell.

HTH,

-- 
 Bastien

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* Re: Re: Can I input multiline in a cell?
  2011-02-16  6:06   ` Wang Coeus
  2011-02-16  9:42     ` Bastien
@ 2011-02-16 11:18     ` suvayu ali
  2011-02-16 17:07       ` Eric Schulte
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: suvayu ali @ 2011-02-16 11:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Wang Coeus; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Wang Coeus <wangcoeus@gmail.com> wrote:
> Will org consider to support this in future? I just think org table is
> more convenient than table.el. Thanks a lot for the help.

As far as I know, its not likely. To my understanding, things like
table formulae and some of the export functions have trouble dealing
with it.

-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

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* Re: Re: Can I input multiline in a cell?
  2011-02-16 11:18     ` suvayu ali
@ 2011-02-16 17:07       ` Eric Schulte
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Eric Schulte @ 2011-02-16 17:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: suvayu ali; +Cc: Wang Coeus, emacs-orgmode

suvayu ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com> writes:

> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Wang Coeus <wangcoeus@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Will org consider to support this in future? I just think org table is
>> more convenient than table.el. Thanks a lot for the help.
>
> As far as I know, its not likely. To my understanding, things like
> table formulae and some of the export functions have trouble dealing
> with it.

In many cases it is possible to "fake" multiline columns e.g.,

| first                  | second                                  |
|------------------------+-----------------------------------------|
| some text here which   |                                         |
| is so long I'd like    |                                         |
| it wrapped             |                                         |
|------------------------+-----------------------------------------|
| some shorter text here |                                         |
|------------------------+-----------------------------------------|
|                        | for simple display this works           |
|                        | although I agree the contents won't be  |
|                        | treated as a single cell by spreadsheet |
|                        | formula                                 |

FWIW the lack of multiline cells used to bother me about org-mode
tables, but now I hardly notice their absence, and don't know how I
would use them if they were (with some syntax) supported.

Best -- Eric

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* Re: Can I input multiline in a cell?
  2011-02-15 21:10 Can I input multiline in a cell? Wang Coeus
  2011-02-15 23:32 ` suvayu ali
@ 2011-02-16 17:24 ` brian powell
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: brian powell @ 2011-02-16 17:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Wang Coeus; +Cc: emacs-orgmode


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These intersting work-around-hacks worked for me:

[[file:/blahfilewithyourmultilinetextinit.txt]] ---put this in a "org-table
cell"

and/or

put a string like:

/blahjpegabsolutepath/blah.jpeg  ---where the jpeg contains a jpeg of your
text then do Mx iimage-mode

--just wild ideas--that I want @you@ to try!

--I like it: when I click <Tab> it quickly evens up the columns
--could have extremely short filenames--with the multiline strings in
them--these worked fine for me--YMMV:

|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-----+-----+---|
|   |     |             |     |     |             |     |     |     |     |
  |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-----+-----+---|
| * | 11B |         21W | 31B | 41W |         51B | 61W | 71B | 81W | 91B |
* |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-----+-----+---|
| * | 12W | /u/0802.jpg |   0 |   0 | [[file:/u/d.j]] |   0 |   0 |   0 |
* |   |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-----+-----+---|
| * | 13B |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
* |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-----+-----+---|
| * | 14W |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
* |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-----+-----+---|
| * | 15B |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
* |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-----+-----+---|
| * | 16W |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
* |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-----+-----+---|
| * | 17B |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
* |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-----+-----+---|
| * | 18W |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
* |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-----+-----+---|
| * | 19B |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
* |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-----+-----+---|
| * | 18W |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
* |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-----+-----+---|
| * | 17B |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
* |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-----+-----+---|
| * | 16W |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
* |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-----+-----+---|
| * | 15B |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
* |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-----+-----+---|
| * | 14W |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
* |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-----+-----+---|
| * | 13B |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
* |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-----+-----+---|
| * | 12W |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
* |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-----+-----+---|
| * | 11B |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
* |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-----+-----+---|
#+TBLFM:


---I was playing around with making an OrgModeChess game BTW.

--so the file /u/d.j has the multiline text in it; and, /u/0802.jpg has the
multiline text in it--the jpeg is then toggle-viewed with "Mx iimage-mode"
---inline-image-mode

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Wang Coeus <wangcoeus@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I am using org-mode for some note, there is a table and I need to input
> a lot text in one cell, is there possible that I input multiline and
> output also show as multiline?
> --
> Coeus
> In the middle of every difficulty lies opportunity.
>                -- Albert Einstein
>
>
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> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
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* Re: Re: Can I input multiline in a cell?
  2011-02-16  9:42     ` Bastien
@ 2011-02-16 17:48       ` brian powell
  2011-02-16 18:03         ` brian powell
  2011-02-16 20:20       ` Wang Coeus
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: brian powell @ 2011-02-16 17:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bastien; +Cc: Wang Coeus, emacs-orgmode


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This worked too:
...
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
| * | 11B |         21W | 31B | 41W |         51B | 61W |   71B | 81W | 91B
| * |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
| * | 12W | /u/0802.jpg |   0 |   0 | [[file:/u/d.j]] |   0 | multi |   0 |
  * |   |
|   |     |             |     |     |             |     |  line |     |
|   |
|   |     |             |     |     |             |     |  text |     |
|   |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
| * | 13B |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |     0 |   0 |   0
| * |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
...

---to do this: I put "dummy rows" around the "12W" row--"dummy rows" have
all the cells empty--and then just deleted the "separator rows"---took less
than a minute.

A little Ck Cy magic---and good old <Tab> key.

As far as the TeX ideas; making it display as a multiline cell in
export--thats a great idea too, I've made o-ton-o LaTeX tables--once you do
this process Bastien suggests, you could probably write a simple program to
munge the .tex file and then reuse the same method over and over.  TeX is
great at displaying multiline text---its the best for that---regardless of
the font.


On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:42 AM, Bastien <bastien.guerry@wikimedia.fr>wrote:

> Hi Wang,
>
> Wang Coeus <wangcoeus@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Will org consider to support this in future?
>
> There is no plan for this right now.
>
> But what about cheating a bit and play with the _display_ of the table?
>
> | Header      | Header |
> |-------------+--------|
> | I want to   |        |
> | write stuff |        |
> | on several  |        |
> | lines       |        |
>
> You should be able to export this table to HTML or LaTeX and simulate a
> multiline cell on the first column.  Just a workaround, but could do in
> some situations.
>
> Also, note that you can shrink the cell length by adding <length>:
>
>     |---+------------------------------|               |---+--------|
>     |   |                              |               |   | <6>    |
>     | 1 | one                          |               | 1 | one    |
>     | 2 | two                          |     ----\     | 2 | two    |
>     | 3 | This is a long chunk of text |     ----/     | 3 | This=> |
>     | 4 | four                         |               | 4 | four   |
>     |---+------------------------------|               |---+--------|
>
> which helps having long text in a single-line cell.
>
> HTH,
>
> --
>  Bastien
>
> _______________________________________________
> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
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* Re: Re: Can I input multiline in a cell?
  2011-02-16 17:48       ` brian powell
@ 2011-02-16 18:03         ` brian powell
  2011-02-16 18:43           ` Bastien
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: brian powell @ 2011-02-16 18:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bastien; +Cc: Wang Coeus, emacs-orgmode


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Howsabout some code to put in a "dummy row" in an OrgMode Table--this would
facilitate inputting multi-line-text--i.e. a key in
OrgMode/TableMode/CalcMode
would insert exactly a line like this in the table below:
|   |     |             |     |     |             |     |   |     |     |
|
---and thats it--you're done---then you just type in the text in the column
cells you want the multiline text.

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:48 PM, brian powell <briangpowellms@gmail.com>wrote:

> This worked too:
> ...
>
> |---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
> | * | 11B |         21W | 31B | 41W |         51B | 61W |   71B | 81W | 91B
> | * |
>
> |---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
> | * | 12W | /u/0802.jpg |   0 |   0 | [[file:/u/d.j]] |   0 | multi |   0 |
>   * |   |
> |   |     |             |     |     |             |     |  line |     |
> |   |
> |   |     |             |     |     |             |     |  text |     |
> |   |
>
> |---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
> | * | 13B |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |     0 |   0 |   0
> | * |
>
> |---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
> ...
>
> ---to do this: I put "dummy rows" around the "12W" row--"dummy rows" have
> all the cells empty--and then just deleted the "separator rows"---took less
> than a minute.
>
> A little Ck Cy magic---and good old <Tab> key.
>
> As far as the TeX ideas; making it display as a multiline cell in
> export--thats a great idea too, I've made o-ton-o LaTeX tables--once you do
> this process Bastien suggests, you could probably write a simple program to
> munge the .tex file and then reuse the same method over and over.  TeX is
> great at displaying multiline text---its the best for that---regardless of
> the font.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:42 AM, Bastien <bastien.guerry@wikimedia.fr>wrote:
>
>> Hi Wang,
>>
>> Wang Coeus <wangcoeus@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > Will org consider to support this in future?
>>
>> There is no plan for this right now.
>>
>> But what about cheating a bit and play with the _display_ of the table?
>>
>> | Header      | Header |
>> |-------------+--------|
>> | I want to   |        |
>> | write stuff |        |
>> | on several  |        |
>> | lines       |        |
>>
>> You should be able to export this table to HTML or LaTeX and simulate a
>> multiline cell on the first column.  Just a workaround, but could do in
>> some situations.
>>
>> Also, note that you can shrink the cell length by adding <length>:
>>
>>     |---+------------------------------|               |---+--------|
>>     |   |                              |               |   | <6>    |
>>     | 1 | one                          |               | 1 | one    |
>>     | 2 | two                          |     ----\     | 2 | two    |
>>     | 3 | This is a long chunk of text |     ----/     | 3 | This=> |
>>     | 4 | four                         |               | 4 | four   |
>>     |---+------------------------------|               |---+--------|
>>
>> which helps having long text in a single-line cell.
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> --
>>  Bastien
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>>
>
>

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* Re: Re: Can I input multiline in a cell?
  2011-02-16 18:03         ` brian powell
@ 2011-02-16 18:43           ` Bastien
  2011-02-16 19:03             ` brian powell
  2011-02-16 19:16             ` brian powell
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2011-02-16 18:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: brian powell; +Cc: Wang Coeus, emacs-orgmode

Hi Brian,

brian powell <briangpowellms@gmail.com> writes:

> Howsabout some code to put in a "dummy row" in an OrgMode Table--this
> would facilitate inputting multi-line-text--i.e. a key in OrgMode/
> TableMode/CalcMode 
> would insert exactly a line like this in the table below:

Please use plain text emails...  those emails are completely unreadable
for me.  Especially crucial when talking about tables and formats.

Thanks!

-- 
 Bastien

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* Re: Re: Can I input multiline in a cell?
  2011-02-16 18:43           ` Bastien
@ 2011-02-16 19:03             ` brian powell
  2011-02-16 20:01               ` Nick Dokos
  2011-02-16 19:16             ` brian powell
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: brian powell @ 2011-02-16 19:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bastien; +Cc: Wang Coeus, emacs-orgmode


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They were plain text emails?

(Believe me, I understand what you mean/the problems people cause when they
paste things in the buffer that aren't plain text--that is one reason to use
OrgMode.)

In any case, sorry about that--I just copied-and-pasted my tests--right from
the OrgTable/file?

My suggestion then (after all that "brainstorming crap") boils down to this
alone:

Maybe put in 1 key in table mode that puts a dummy line in, maybe something
like this:

|||||||||

--it puts in the same number of cell separators and empty cells on empty
line as are on the previous line---or you could just do:

Cu 8 | <Enter> <Tab>

And then it spreads it out/covers-down the columns--or the user then just
taps <Tab>

(OrgMode will then format the table for them)

And then the OrgMode user would type in the multi-line-text column in the
respective column-cells.

Or I suggest a keyboard-macro (to put in the "dummy rows") for this too;
thats what I'll do--I'll put it in my .emacs.


Thanks Bastien and Wang.



On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Bastien <bastien.guerry@wikimedia.fr>wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> brian powell <briangpowellms@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Howsabout some code to put in a "dummy row" in an OrgMode Table--this
> > would facilitate inputting multi-line-text--i.e. a key in OrgMode/
> > TableMode/CalcMode
> > would insert exactly a line like this in the table below:
>
> Please use plain text emails...  those emails are completely unreadable
> for me.  Especially crucial when talking about tables and formats.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
>  Bastien
>

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* Re: Re: Can I input multiline in a cell?
  2011-02-16 18:43           ` Bastien
  2011-02-16 19:03             ` brian powell
@ 2011-02-16 19:16             ` brian powell
  2011-02-16 19:56               ` brian powell
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: brian powell @ 2011-02-16 19:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bastien; +Cc: Wang Coeus, emacs-orgmode


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Bastien: I agree with you, every time I get emails from other users, they
are "jagged" and "unclear"--and; like you typed they are unreadable/unclear
(the columns aren't "covered down")---maybe its the font that I use?

I'll research the different fonts--I think "Courier" font may keep things
clearer.

Here is a test:

|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
| * | 11B |         21W | 31B | 41W |         51B | 61W |   71B | 81W | 91B
| * |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
| * | 12W | /u/0802.jpg |   0 |   0 | [[file:j]]  |   0 | multi |
                0 |   * |   |
|   |     |             |     |     |             |     |  line |     |
|   |
|   |     |             |     |     |             |     |  text |     |
|   |
|   |     |             |     |     |             |     |  text |     |
|   |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
| * | 13B |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |     0 |   0 |   0
| * |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
| * | 14W |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |     0 |   0 |   0
| * |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
| * | 15B |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |     0 |   0 |   0
| * |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
| * | 16W |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |     0 |   0 |   0
| * |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
| * | 17B |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |     0 |   0 |   0
| * |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
| * | 18W |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |     0 |   0 |   0
| * |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
| * | 19B |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |     0 |   0 |   0
| * |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
| * | 18W |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |     0 |   0 |   0
| * |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
| * | 17B |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |     0 |   0 |   0
| * |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
| * | 16W |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |     0 |   0 |   0
| * |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
| * | 15B |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |     0 |   0 |   0
| * |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
| * | 14W |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |     0 |   0 |   0
| * |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
| * | 13B |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |     0 |   0 |   0
| * |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
| * | 12W |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |     0 |   0 |   0
| * |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
| * | 11B |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |     0 |   0 |   0
| * |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------+-----+-----+---|
#+TBLFM:

---yes, "courier" font is what I used to use--it aligns tables better.

I'll use "courier" font; and, I suggest others use it--when dealing
with/expressing table problems to others--many fonts don't "cover down"
columns.

Thanks again Bastien.




On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Bastien <bastien.guerry@wikimedia.fr>wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> brian powell <briangpowellms@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Howsabout some code to put in a "dummy row" in an OrgMode Table--this
> > would facilitate inputting multi-line-text--i.e. a key in OrgMode/
> > TableMode/CalcMode
> > would insert exactly a line like this in the table below:
>
> Please use plain text emails...  those emails are completely unreadable
> for me.  Especially crucial when talking about tables and formats.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
>  Bastien
>

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* Re: Re: Can I input multiline in a cell?
  2011-02-16 19:16             ` brian powell
@ 2011-02-16 19:56               ` brian powell
  2011-02-16 20:26                 ` Wang Coeus
  2011-02-18  9:47                 ` Bastien
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: brian powell @ 2011-02-16 19:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Brian Powell, Wang Coeus; +Cc: emacs-orgmode


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Forget all previous emails from me on this thread; I thought there was a
simple way to do this in OrgMode--will this work for you Wang?:

All you have to do is this I believe (not sure about the Org publish/TeX
output though--tell me if it works out for you):

Ca <Enter> | <Tab>

and then type in your multi-line text--and maybe <Tab> a few times--this
took about 15 seconds:

|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------|
| * | 15B |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |     0 |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------|
| * | 16W |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |     0 |
|   |     |             |     |     |             |     | multi |
|   |     |             |     |     |             |     | line  |
|   |     |             |     |     |             |     | text  |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------|
| * | 17B |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |     0 |
|---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------|
#+TBLFM:

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* Re: Re: Can I input multiline in a cell?
  2011-02-16 19:03             ` brian powell
@ 2011-02-16 20:01               ` Nick Dokos
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2011-02-16 20:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: brian powell; +Cc: Wang Coeus, nicholas.dokos, emacs-orgmode, Bastien

brian powell <briangpowellms@gmail.com> wrote:

> My suggestion then (after all that "brainstorming crap") boils down to this alone:
> 
> Maybe put in 1 key in table mode that puts a dummy line in, maybe something like this:
> 
> |||||||||
> 
> --it puts in the same number of cell separators and empty cells on empty line as are on the previous line---or you could just do:
> 

Doesn't M-S-<down> do that? In the context of a table, it ends up
calling the function org-table-insert-row. If you want a single
key (e.g. a function key) to do that, you can bind it directly
to this function. Of course, simulating multi-cell input like this
breaks the table model and might cause difficulties in other places,
but you can always try it and see how far you can push it.

Nick

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* Re: Re: Can I input multiline in a cell?
  2011-02-16  9:42     ` Bastien
  2011-02-16 17:48       ` brian powell
@ 2011-02-16 20:20       ` Wang Coeus
  2011-02-17 17:16         ` brian powell
  2011-02-18  9:46         ` Bastien
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Wang Coeus @ 2011-02-16 20:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bastien; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Bastien <bastien.guerry@wikimedia.fr> writes:

> Hi Wang,
>
> Wang Coeus <wangcoeus@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Will org consider to support this in future? 
>
> There is no plan for this right now.
>
> But what about cheating a bit and play with the _display_ of the table?
>
> | Header      | Header |
> |-------------+--------|
> | I want to   |        |
> | write stuff |        |
> | on several  |        |
> | lines       |        |
>
> You should be able to export this table to HTML or LaTeX and simulate a
> multiline cell on the first column.  Just a workaround, but could do in
> some situations.
>
> Also, note that you can shrink the cell length by adding <length>:
>
>      |---+------------------------------|               |---+--------|
>      |   |                              |               |   | <6>    |
>      | 1 | one                          |               | 1 | one    |
>      | 2 | two                          |     ----\     | 2 | two    |
>      | 3 | This is a long chunk of text |     ----/     | 3 | This=> |
>      | 4 | four                         |               | 4 | four   |
>      |---+------------------------------|               |---+--------|
>
> which helps having long text in a single-line cell.
>
> HTH,

Hi Bastien,
Really appreciate your help here. The reason I asked this question is
because I always feel it's too complicated to edit a table with
table.el. Your suggestion is good for me. :) But there are sometimes
also need to draw a table as below:
|-------+-------+----------------|
|       | HEAD2 | Item 1         |
|       +-------+----------------|
| HEAD1 |       | Item 2         |
|       + HEAD3 |----------------|
|       |       | Item 3         |
|-------+-------+----------------|

For such a kind of situation, we only can implement with table.el,
right?

Really thanks for all your kind help. :)
-- 
Coeus
In the middle of every difficulty lies opportunity.
		-- Albert Einstein

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* Re: Re: Can I input multiline in a cell?
  2011-02-16 19:56               ` brian powell
@ 2011-02-16 20:26                 ` Wang Coeus
  2011-02-18  9:47                 ` Bastien
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Wang Coeus @ 2011-02-16 20:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: brian powell; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

brian powell <briangpowellms@gmail.com> writes:

> Forget all previous emails from me on this thread; I thought there
> was a simple way to do this in OrgMode--will this work for you Wang?:
>
> All you have to do is this I believe (not sure about the Org publish/
> TeX output though--tell me if it works out for you): 
>
> Ca <Enter> | <Tab>
>
> and then type in your multi-line text--and maybe <Tab> a few
> times--this took about 15 seconds:
>
> |---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------|
> | * | 15B |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |     0 |
> |---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------|
> | * | 16W |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |     0 |
> |   |     |             |     |     |             |     | multi |
> |   |     |             |     |     |             |     | line  |
> |   |     |             |     |     |             |     | text  |
> |---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------|
> | * | 17B |           0 |   0 |   0 |           0 |   0 |     0 |
> |---+-----+-------------+-----+-----+-------------+-----+-------|
> #+TBLFM:
>

Brian,
Thanks a lot for your help here. :) It's good to show in Org-mode from
Emacs itself, but when you export to html file, it's still split with
sevel cells. Sometimes I need export org file to html so to make others
feel easier to read. 

-- 
Coeus
In the middle of every difficulty lies opportunity.
		-- Albert Einstein

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* Re: Re: Can I input multiline in a cell?
  2011-02-16 20:20       ` Wang Coeus
@ 2011-02-17 17:16         ` brian powell
  2011-02-18  9:46         ` Bastien
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: brian powell @ 2011-02-17 17:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Wang Coeus; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Bastien


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Your welcome Wang, my pleasure--I learned a few things too.

I used to make tables like the one you seem to be trying to put into and use
in an OrgMode Table.

Your table:

|-------+-------+----------------|
|       | HEAD2 | Item 1         |
|       +-------+----------------|
| HEAD1 |       | Item 2         |
|       + HEAD3 |----------------|
|       |       | Item 3         |
|-------+-------+----------------|

* Reminds me of SAS multivariate statistics output and the "PROC TABULATE"
method:
** See these:
http://www2.sas.com/proceedings/forum2007/230-2007.pdf
http://support.sas.com/documentation/cdl/en/proc/61895/HTML/default/viewer.htm#a002473736.htm
http://support.sas.com/documentation/cdl/en/proc/61895/HTML/default/viewer.htm#a002473751.htm
** Program example is in:
http://support.sas.com/documentation/cdl/en/proc/61895/HTML/default/viewer.htm#a002473751.htm
** Program example output:
                      Energy Expenditures for Each Region
   1
                             (millions of dollars)

              ---------------------------------------------------
              |                       |          Type           |
              |                       |-------------------------|
              |                       |Residential |  Business  |
              |                       | Customers  | Customers  |
              |                       |------------+------------|
              |                       |Expenditures|Expenditures|
              |                       |------------+------------|
              |                       |    Sum     |    Sum     |
              |-----------------------+------------+------------|
              |Region     |Division   |            |            |
              |-----------+-----------|            |            |
              |Northeast  |New England|      $7,477|      $5,129|
              |           |-----------+------------+------------|
              |           |Middle     |            |            |
              |           |Atlantic   |     $19,379|     $15,078|
              |-----------+-----------+------------+------------|
              |West       |Mountain   |      $5,476|      $4,729|
              |           |-----------+------------+------------|
              |           |Pacific    |     $13,959|     $12,619|
              ---------------------------------------------------
** Shows how to put .xls files into SAS, etc.:
http://www2.sas.com/proceedings/forum2007/230-2007.pdf
** You may be able to go from .txt/csv <=> EXCEL <=> SAS <=> .pdf/.ps

*Also, not sure you know about this extremely useful method that may help
you get fancy graphics:
Use "ditaa"!

** From http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html :
...
#+begin_src ditaa :file communication.png :cmdline -r -s 0.8
        +-----------+        +---------+
        |    PLC    |        |         |
        |  Network  +<------>+   PLC   +<---=---------+
        |    cRED   |        |  c707   |              |
        +-----------+        +----+----+              |
                                  ^                   |
                                  |                   |
                                  |  +----------------|-----------------+
                                  |  |                |                 |
                                  v  v                v                 v
          +----------+       +----+--+--+      +-------+---+
 +-----+-----+       Windows clients
          |          |       |          |      |           |      |
  |      +----+      +----+
          | Database +<----->+  Shared  +<---->+ Executive +<-=-->+ Operator
 +<---->|cYEL| . . .|cYEL|
          |   c707   |       |  Memory  |      |   c707    |      | Server
 |      |    |      |    |
          +--+----+--+       |{d} cGRE  |      +------+----+      |   c707
 |      +----+      +----+
             ^    ^          +----------+             ^
+-------+---+
             |    |                                   |

             |    +--------=--------------------------+
             v
    +--------+--------+

    |                 |

    | Millwide System |            -------- Data ---------

    | cBLU            |            --=----- Signals ---=--

    +-----------------+

#+end_src

** Make a DITAA diagram of the table and use the methods shown at:
http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html

* Maybe make two or three separate tables--and maybe separate with
whitespace--with only one "real" OrgMode table that you do spreadsheet
formula calcs, etc. in:

** Example:

|--------+-----| -------+-------+
| Item 1 |   4 |        | TAIL2 |
|--------+-----|        |-------+
| Item 2 | 555 |  TAIL1 |       |
|--------+-----|        | TAIL3 |
| Item 3 | 559 |        |       |
|--------+-----| -------+-------+
#+TBLFM: @3$2=@1$2+@2$2
** But when I recalculate OrgTable pushes the tables back together.
** Maybe make two tables and use the UNIX "paste" command to paste them
together.
*** Maybe then use the TeX "\verbatim".

*Tried putting in "^H"==backspaces:
|--------+-----| \b^H-------+-------+
| Item 1 |   4 | \b^H       | HEAD2 |
|--------+-----| \b^H       |-------+
| Item 2 | 555 | \b^H HEAD1 |       |
|--------+-----| \b^H       | HEAD3 |
| Item 3 | 559 | \b^H       |       |
|--------+-----| \b^H-------+-------+

** Then you could print it out of a program and it would look like one
table; but, again, CuCcCc --recalculation glued the table back together--in
an ugly way.

*** Maybe suggest making "^H" (the backspace character) a character that
OrgTableMode will treat as the end-of-line/"$"




On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Wang Coeus <wangcoeus@gmail.com> wrote:

> Bastien <bastien.guerry@wikimedia.fr> writes:
>
> > Hi Wang,
> >
> > Wang Coeus <wangcoeus@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >> Will org consider to support this in future?
> >
> > There is no plan for this right now.
> >
> > But what about cheating a bit and play with the _display_ of the table?
> >
> > | Header      | Header |
> > |-------------+--------|
> > | I want to   |        |
> > | write stuff |        |
> > | on several  |        |
> > | lines       |        |
> >
> > You should be able to export this table to HTML or LaTeX and simulate a
> > multiline cell on the first column.  Just a workaround, but could do in
> > some situations.
> >
> > Also, note that you can shrink the cell length by adding <length>:
> >
> >      |---+------------------------------|               |---+--------|
> >      |   |                              |               |   | <6>    |
> >      | 1 | one                          |               | 1 | one    |
> >      | 2 | two                          |     ----\     | 2 | two    |
> >      | 3 | This is a long chunk of text |     ----/     | 3 | This=> |
> >      | 4 | four                         |               | 4 | four   |
> >      |---+------------------------------|               |---+--------|
> >
> > which helps having long text in a single-line cell.
> >
> > HTH,
>
> Hi Bastien,
> Really appreciate your help here. The reason I asked this question is
> because I always feel it's too complicated to edit a table with
> table.el. Your suggestion is good for me. :) But there are sometimes
> also need to draw a table as below:
> |-------+-------+----------------|
> |       | HEAD2 | Item 1         |
> |       +-------+----------------|
> | HEAD1 |       | Item 2         |
> |       + HEAD3 |----------------|
> |       |       | Item 3         |
> |-------+-------+----------------|
>
> For such a kind of situation, we only can implement with table.el,
> right?
>
> Really thanks for all your kind help. :)
> --
> Coeus
> In the middle of every difficulty lies opportunity.
>                -- Albert Einstein
>
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* Re: Re: Can I input multiline in a cell?
  2011-02-16 20:20       ` Wang Coeus
  2011-02-17 17:16         ` brian powell
@ 2011-02-18  9:46         ` Bastien
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2011-02-18  9:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Wang Coeus; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Wang Coeus <wangcoeus@gmail.com> writes:

> For such a kind of situation, we only can implement with table.el,
> right?

Right :)

-- 
 Bastien

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* Re: Re: Can I input multiline in a cell?
  2011-02-16 19:56               ` brian powell
  2011-02-16 20:26                 ` Wang Coeus
@ 2011-02-18  9:47                 ` Bastien
  2011-02-18 15:09                   ` brian powell
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2011-02-18  9:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: brian powell; +Cc: Wang Coeus, emacs-orgmode

brian powell <briangpowellms@gmail.com> writes:

> Forget all previous emails from me on this thread; 

Done :)

The font you use might causes problems for fixed-font emails you *read*
but problems for emails you send are caused by using HTML.  Go to gmail
parameters and deactivate HTML when sending, it's generally better, at
least for this list...

Thanks!

-- 
 Bastien

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* Re: Re: Can I input multiline in a cell?
  2011-02-18  9:47                 ` Bastien
@ 2011-02-18 15:09                   ` brian powell
       [not found]                     ` <8227.1298043065@alphaville>
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  To: Bastien; +Cc: Wang Coeus, emacs-orgmode


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I haven't sent any HTMl that I know of--I fully embrace the "plain text"
KISS methods.

I've changed my fonts (all fonts--fixed and otherwise) to a font using the
string " Mono " somewhere in its name, and things seem better reading and
copying-and-pasting into an email buffer like this one--it should take care
of all problems with reading and writing @aligned tables@.

Thanks for pointing that out Bastien (about the fonts)--the "FreeMono" and
"Courier" fonts in GOOGLE CHROME are ugly--I tried them all after your
email--I settled on "DejaVu Sans Mono Book"; but, again, I have never posted
HTML to this list that I remember--I used to work with IETF members on XML
protocols and I'm very familiar with GML, SGML, HTML, XML, etc--I know HTML
when I see it.  The only "markup" that I inserted was "[[file:" --but thats
not HTML--its OrgMode?

If I paste text and set its font to XYZ @and@ you allow your browser to view
the XYZ font and character set @and@ you have the XYZ font software
installed and/or your email software has it, then you'll see it the way the
writer intended you to see it.  If you ever see anything from me with
"uncovered down"/aligned table columns again, please tell me, sorry about
that, it shouldn't happen again.  I strongly believe that problem has been
solved.

(I'll look into "turning off" HTML sending in my GOOGLE CHROME browser
options--like you suggested Bastien)

As for OrgMode and my idea, my plan: I will be setting "^H" as an
end-of-line "$" marker in my own code--when I am in a buffer running
OrgMode--and I'll see if I can make "multivariate stat." tables like the
example table Wang gave--EMACS has the only regexp engine that is easily
tweaked that way--that I know of (see "Regular Expressions", O'Reilly, 1st
edition)

Now, should OrgMode "table mode" support the creation of tables like the one
Wang gave as an example? I think it should.

--But I'm so giddy about OrgMode as it is right now, I almost don't care!

;-)


On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 4:47 AM, Bastien <bastien.guerry@wikimedia.fr>wrote:

> brian powell <briangpowellms@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Forget all previous emails from me on this thread;
>
> Done :)
>
> The font you use might causes problems for fixed-font emails you *read*
> but problems for emails you send are caused by using HTML.  Go to gmail
> parameters and deactivate HTML when sending, it's generally better, at
> least for this list...
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
>  Bastien
>

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       [not found]                         ` <9775.1298046024@alphaville>
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From: brian powell @ 2011-02-18 16:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: nicholas.dokos; +Cc: emacs-orgmode


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On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> wrote:

> brian powell <briangpowellms@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I haven't sent any HTMl that I know of--I fully embrace the "plain text"
> KISS methods.
> >
>
> This very email contained alternatives: an HTML one and a plain-text one.
>
> Nick
>
>
I have no idea what you mean here--maybe earlier emails? (which I requested
we disregard earlier)

I didn't find the option Bastien was refering to--to turn off the sending of
HTML.

I have been experimenting with sending images in GOOGLE CHROME--maybe that
setting is what you complain about/suffer from?  I do want to continue to do
that; but, what exactly you are complaining about, I don't know?

I sent a very complex set of tables (2 emails ago) and all the tables were
"covered down"/aligned?

Lastly, please remember this thread purposefully contained markup to
pictures and/or "[[file:" and other "probelematic" text like "multiline
text" (this thread) in OrgMode tables--its all experimental "what if"
stuff--I purposely tried to insert strange things into the OrgMode table?

It was fun and interesting; and, I learned a few things.  Now, please feel
free to delete or disregard anything I've sent to the list.  Anyway, I'm
done with this thread.

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* Re: Re: Can I input multiline in a cell?
       [not found]                         ` <9775.1298046024@alphaville>
@ 2011-02-18 16:38                           ` brian powell
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: brian powell @ 2011-02-18 16:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: nicholas.dokos, emacs-orgmode


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I'm not offended; I'm looking into the "turning off of html" from my GOOGLE
CHROME browser.  I have been experimenting with the new features like
inserting images, etc.

And yes, as you point out "that very email" has markup (on your side--if you
accept it)--and "that very email" apologized for the problem and explained
that I would look into it--its "still a problem"--for you.

Everything looks fine to me now--even when I browse the postings.

I know a lot about MIME and browsers believe me, and email systems and
software and the internet...

"you can go and learn something about MIME and what mailers do behind your
back."

--much agreed; this will always be an issue when using GMAIL or other
proprietary mail systems.

Thanks for the help Nick.




On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> wrote:

> brian powell <briangpowellms@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > It was fun and interesting; and, I learned a few things.  Now, please
> feel free to delete or
> > disregard anything I've sent to the list.  Anyway, I'm done with this
> thread.
> >
>
> I'm not trying to insult/upbraid/shut you up. And I was not
> offended/insulted/angry or anything like that. You made a statement. I
> pointed out that the statement was wrong. That's all.
>
> You learnt something from earlier emails.  That's good. Maybe you can
> learn something from this as well: e.g. you can go and learn something
> about MIME and what mailers do behind your back.
>
> Please do not misunderstand my terseness as anything other than it is:
> the minimal text possible to explain the problem.
>
> Nick
>

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* Re: Re: Can I input multiline in a cell?
  2011-02-18 15:09                   ` brian powell
       [not found]                     ` <8227.1298043065@alphaville>
@ 2011-02-18 16:43                     ` Joost Kremers
  2011-02-18 20:53                     ` suvayu ali
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Joost Kremers @ 2011-02-18 16:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 10:09:07AM -0500, brian powell wrote:
>    I haven't sent any HTMl that I know of--I fully embrace the "plain text"
>    KISS methods.

well, you're not sending plain text messages. look at your headers:

Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0485505407=="

the "multipart" part means that your messages contain different parts, encoded
in different ways. more precisely in your case, your messages consist of a plain
text part and an html part, both containing the same text.

when i read your message in mutt, this is what it shows:

====================

[-- Autoview using elinks -dump -eval "set document.codepage.assume = 'ISO-8859-1'" '/home/joost/tmp/mutt2xkhQU' --]
   I haven't sent any HTMl that I know of--I fully embrace the "plain text"
   KISS methods.
   [...]

====================

the "Autoview using elinks ..." part means mutt is calling elinks to display the
message. i.e., it's displaying the html part.


-- 
Joost Kremers
Life has its moments

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* Re: Re: Can I input multiline in a cell?
  2011-02-18 15:09                   ` brian powell
       [not found]                     ` <8227.1298043065@alphaville>
  2011-02-18 16:43                     ` Joost Kremers
@ 2011-02-18 20:53                     ` suvayu ali
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: suvayu ali @ 2011-02-18 20:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: brian powell; +Cc: Wang Coeus, emacs-orgmode, Bastien

Hi Brian,

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:09 AM, brian powell <briangpowellms@gmail.com> wrote:
> I haven't sent any HTMl that I know of--I fully embrace the "plain text"
> KISS methods.

This comes up on all mailing lists rather often. On Gmail, to the
right of the rich text formatting bar, there is a "Plain text" link.
press that to turn off "Rich text formatting", which is html in
disguise. I think GMail should be more explicit about this behaviour.
FWIW, I am sending this post from GMail using the plain text setting.

Hope this helps.

--
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

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2011-02-16 17:48       ` brian powell
2011-02-16 18:03         ` brian powell
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2011-02-16 19:03             ` brian powell
2011-02-16 20:01               ` Nick Dokos
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2011-02-16 19:56               ` brian powell
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2011-02-16 20:20       ` Wang Coeus
2011-02-17 17:16         ` brian powell
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