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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: org-mode-email Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 X-Spam-Score: -0.81 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=KnaFrzzG; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Scan-Result: default: False [-0.81 / 13.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GENERIC_REPUTATION(0.00)[-0.57229691260495]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.51.188.0/24:c]; IP_REPUTATION_HAM(0.00)[asn: 22989(0.24), country: US(-0.01), ip: 209.51.188.17(-0.57)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[messagingengine.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MX_GOOD(-0.50)[cached: eggs.gnu.org]; MAILLIST(-0.20)[mailman]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[209.51.188.17:from]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22989, ipnet:209.51.188.0/24, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[larch=yhetil.org]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[richard.lawrence@uni-tuebingen.de,emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[messagingengine.com:s=fm2]; URIBL_BLOCKED(0.00)[messagingengine.com:dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FORGED_RECIPIENTS_MAILLIST(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[uni-tuebingen.de]; HAS_LIST_UNSUB(-0.01)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[9]; FORGED_SENDER_MAILLIST(0.00)[] X-TUID: XH3/xNbvLiFu "Bruce D'Arcus" writes: > I can't see that it's necessary to have a fourth, because I think the > result of that would be this, which doesn't make any sense. > > 4. "Doe blah blah {2017}"/"Doe blah blah {[3]}" -> > author-in-text+suppress-author command > > Let us know what you think? I think this could sometimes make sense. Granted, it wouldn't be very often, but if e.g. you are citing something inside a wider parenthetical remark, like: (Blah blah. However, Doe showed that not-blah; see her -@doe17.) I can imagine that some style guides might forbid putting nested parentheses in that position, so having a way to render "2017" instead of "(2017)" would be useful. Another case: I can imagine citation styles that use e.g. a work's title (instead of its year) as the non-author identifier, in which case it would often make sense to say things like Doe depicts blah in her -@doe17 as a way to output things like Doe depicts blah in her /Wondrous Novel/ Again, I don't know how important this is, or how widely used it would be, but those are at least a couple of possibilities. On the other hand, I notice that pandoc does not distinguish these cases, at least with the default citation style; pandoc renders both -@doe17 and [-@doe17] like "(2017)", so maybe it's not that important. > ... notwithstanding that, I think Nicolas' latest proposed syntax > would support this anyway. > > [citet:-@doe17] Great. No objections from this corner, then! -- Best, Richard