From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id cCmFE+uqaGANfgAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 03 Apr 2021 19:50:35 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id GJrlDeuqaGAOTwAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 03 Apr 2021 17:50:35 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 745D611837 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2021 19:50:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:39312 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lSkPp-0008Pw-Ek for larch@yhetil.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2021 13:50:33 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53646) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lSkP8-0008OV-9X for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2021 13:49:50 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:53245) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lSkP4-0000Qi-44 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2021 13:49:50 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82BF92400FE for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2021 19:49:41 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1617472181; bh=8CYo8TklQwLism3GNpXbPtGbOC1HMJwWT17JOmWTZlA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=KraMz3yPXNpzMut44X6/DxwPRmY2WnVBSwOMzFfAuOSdKuexgapE1gPvhCbdGoWQK qRwK3kRSEqN+RCMmIMXWL3sSOgU+cR50IO8IMbvjKZUzlBDDL24UKRiFBoPfc+6DGn KQk+x8WA17jyauLeFO8EOpuLmCl6J2F/OQWHDOo3R3He38Q/eZokkvoPxIJnZ8V8Hy qVR8wicIAOLkQVW3G0NFQWyHB8yJdB1jWkHFpnCbBpC/aPkTIIaoZCWxW/MaO9NVL0 tl66wFQxkyNl0aU+DLgKhOklSF7ljqjekXBZypCvUdpQYBVIDM8XVH6A7jD3hElrK6 y5qcqqFeie5SA== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4FCPZD59FNz6tmD; Sat, 3 Apr 2021 19:49:40 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Juan_Manuel_Mac=C3=ADas?= To: William Denton Subject: Re: First steps exporting to tex References: <871rbr7ag1.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2021 19:49:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: (William Denton's message of "Sat, 3 Apr 2021 13:07:45 -0400 (EDT)") Message-ID: <87r1jrdzrg.fsf@posteo.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=maciaschain@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: orgmode Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1617472234; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=OC8lfFYMfRSsuG+22z4mHATu2Itwd+mpNzZFbAiKJu8=; b=iSBKI1sXBOvnFRwerxZ+dYEKS7gOKo7xG5AaMEz2gIyWapDIgfwYGMwNBEOUkd6oMVXCTk DmTWrD7GOrshPN6QcBzxQNLilacussuDxlUZOZawdRnITLEaItjPkJ99Bhkuu8mnJfT+cf Qi1uA5E/uSllcZC/buv7XUCtfv9zvZUjzdzpOiDuw3IT55p8vc33EIt8KuyoecwpKAGk69 akznGL0g+HFhJvMhcQP1hjDsNKlvfiWmREmda96RPdPhHCgwWNPDbP2y4Mu9hnTLtbsStl 3N1wkLigMxrVigtN2rmaKzqp+i/2RwF2CuFcjt1rwckCP1k8dYbdr7reReZuZQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1617472234; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Gcok0q5lR+ltAzbSXRNLtnRyM1xv/JyGfZiWlkMwPUMekm54jPy3xEEoLLjLQxEC8M1FZl p01ihCDwlfbrvE2Ftfn7k/2umuuOjGGYXy9lxJGZ9v04stUgjltYOr/9I7q9U2ai0yR2VR GYyWW9jzo8mr45MuaQ/5MNArvfAlDeL2OIQimeIgNY4E48fHtgNkvV8O3awG40qU0UtaBi 3eUsT9S6pzaLsL0otRMv5c8QlZGccasMoVEq2sheBGeAfhOalxj5CObkssi5ksmiLvpqQ3 9UcoNKeJwc3tpo44o8jX1CNkH2WR4yUu3/uHWAKD+G+9uRA4R2KsVnvK2pO3yQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=KraMz3yP; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.13 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=KraMz3yP; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 745D611837 X-Spam-Score: -3.13 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: AiynZs0eOpMk William Denton writes: > [...] and it looks like a published book or journal article! Something similar I thought, in my student days, when at the early '90 I saw a document printed in word perfect, just because it had a book typeface (Times Roman), footnotes and many more fancy stuff. It looked /almost/ like a book. With LaTeX something similar happens for the user who is not trained in professional typesetting. TeX as a typographic engine makes an excellent work at the 'physical' level, but as we say in Spain, the trees do not let us see the forest. A LaTeX document produced from standard way will need (likely) a lot of fine tuning, and a solid typographic culture acquired by those who check it out. On the other hand, I think that if an Org user is going to export often to LaTeX, he should know LaTeX reasonably well. I do not say that he become a LaTeXpert, but at least the user should have clear which concepts are from Org and which concepts are from LaTeX. The LaTeX packages you may need as you want to do more complex things, and how to use those packages. Etc. On the Org side there are many and excellent resources to control the export process. But in any translation process you have to know the source language (Org) and what can be expressed in the final language (LaTeX) and how. And the the same happens if the output is HTML, Epub or whatever. I think Org is an excellent tool, full of possibilities (maybe a lot of them don't explored yet) and wonderful things, but it is not magic, although its logo is an unicorn ;-) Best regards, Juan Manuel