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Dye writes: > >>> Hmmm, what constitutes noise? >>> >> Good question. I suppose like most words the meaning changes >> over time. Early >> on, posts along the lines of "Wouldn't it be cool if Org mode >> would do this?" >> were given more space than they seem to be today. Tim Cross >> points out a >> project trajectory that appears to be common and would explain >> why. At a more >> concrete level, I can offer several of my posts to the list :) > > Follow up: What should be the response to "noise", because I > don't think > it should be a cold shoulder. > Agreed. I'm trying to put myself in the maintainers' shoes. They volunteer lots of highly skilled time, which I admire greatly. I can imagine a situation where a patch falls outside a maintainer's interest and they have difficulty finding the time to understand it and offer a meaningful critique. Historical note: when Carsten took his leave and announced Bastien would maintain Org mode, I jumped in noisily to suggest that a committee approach might be better. I couldn't imagine a world with two Carstens! It appears there is a committee of sorts now, though I'm in the dark how it is organized. Assuming there is a committee, perhaps addition of an Initial Patch Reviewer might be a good idea? All the best, Tom -- Thomas S. Dye https://tsdye.online/tsdye