From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp12.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id 6BlIJBDxGWKWiwAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:21:20 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp12.migadu.com with LMTPS id IKImIRDxGWLUNwEAauVa8A (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:21:20 +0100 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4136339BC0 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:21:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:38450 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nNtGQ-00060a-9C for larch@yhetil.org; Sat, 26 Feb 2022 04:21:18 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36706) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nNtFC-0005zm-7y for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Feb 2022 04:20:03 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=48920 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nNtFA-0001SS-Oj; Sat, 26 Feb 2022 04:20:00 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To: From; bh=Zecta2piVp9ciCwLtReJI56x6Jf/ZlcZtBE2RhgR+ts=; b=LPplNP6QAKm/kq9y8x+f WaGhqSc42nEvkFJxaf42U9+M8Guwo1AZJ/LrHVyABXe1jLDyeyb8tWPPmG+1GaRHRnCR1/OJlS9zz ZiOB/4fRlnn77pmweBG0wUKbKgcJfAVn483MkIia531LOM6h0BgXiVjaJXBC8UllE5GwfJg6fzEiY vSf2fhtePnb/FTjMBFpkE5eQATH0zPq0p3FHAL5n/7m2zwq7WKro07tF01MdPrQqrKchGKHhBD4Fu n6AsCt921IOFOUk6mQOeJGG2I9MfG4mbOSj7tOAxQ8ufmK5xRYb/Ksq2uVPLr3PqoVTOeg+pqZFED CV4GDTlH+nl9wQ==; Received: from [37.170.206.52] (port=53592 helo=hal) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nNtF9-0003Pr-Q7; Sat, 26 Feb 2022 04:20:00 -0500 Received: by hal (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 02CBF1E0408; Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:19:56 +0100 (CET) From: Bastien To: Russell Adams Subject: Re: Communication problems and possible problems with the website In-Reply-To: (Russell Adams's message of "Fri, 25 Feb 2022 16:08:56 +0100") Organization: GNU References: <0472f849f3ae42df68b0f031d61594d9@posteo.de> <87ilt3yvqj.fsf@localhost> <877d9j3u91.fsf@localhost> <17c95e5a298c213c63b6f7ac9f05aac4@posteo.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:19:56 +0100 Message-ID: <87r17qassj.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1645867280; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=Zecta2piVp9ciCwLtReJI56x6Jf/ZlcZtBE2RhgR+ts=; b=SrSODcvVAKZBb2HU8kbXq/l2fvY7Bhr87fBii1Jb5HV1UNz8RBLY7GYu8D5XcWB3JWc3OG eyLi+PqcLj/eGc552cI8hIKTl1tZKW0uZBR8OLK8QlXDrTdZWam3gADTjXbQYaJfzidvuw 5/c3slnZntlgDHkPNEjOwmANyOwfJGmJyzxS6wl6ixrSNgfwlFK9FF2x/IFkhZXyShN+hw BuBGH18GnvIthapJSoWzgkkEpI6p652EnidqV9n3PlM5VcRuDT1wqIgT/TB4fdLV6sTEOi aTkciztouTzZjWL6b22Ur9pjRRVIutQ+Smxjj9Xtyy0fhsEeN2qCDDoUkmiDsQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1645867280; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=VUmPD6zyop9DDjkjwcSsFIYJiWHFOm0JjmFUUeQi42p+hJTk58phnTxqDlBMCVRXzNVccV NTi1v7sYvgCDNEsyDzbcOUECYe0/aKuL6RsDXSgkG0teKn7WjYkA11jVPLKOZyiQ4VMXUe XbV/fDs6i1T1yoUAuFyjkbsQty6f3gtEbo4CnOWbetLJbzNsI1V2yRBYn3G2eh+gpOBihi PbbUiPpxBrKmvc3EFKU6qeUv6s96c4pukXZ++MFvC5FsoKxzmdHS1GEy3+2XYk+d2FuA9b Z9YevJcn8GY16o3HmQ1ka4C/czB4QcYieiHTNqqfsRTvQuThbJZyn08H2X241Q== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=LPplNP6Q; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.82 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=LPplNP6Q; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4136339BC0 X-Spam-Score: -9.82 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: tkBFCw1nF1/q Hi Russell, Russell Adams writes: > I'm not sure what a clear answer is here. I don't like having any > mention of Github and non-free services myself, but I respect that we > need to support the maintainers and that may require using common > services. I reckon this is often a matter of trade-off here, but as orgmode.org is about a GNU software, following the GNU standards comes first, the need for donations comes second. Let me insist on this: donations come when you ask and justify the trouble for donators, not when you display a link, whatever service you are using. I would even consider that teaching free software maintainers how to effectively ask for donations is a more urgent task (but not more important) than building a loyal donation web service. 2 cts, -- Bastien