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If you go to a bank >> branch, I think, you can do transfers to someone else's account without >> running any particular software. > > This is becoming harder and harder, because banks push everyone to use > onlinebanking =E2=80=94 with non-free apps and non-free Javascript. And i= t costs > money: A bank transfer by going to the branch is nowadays more expensive > than the amount people usually donate per month. > Yes, in Australia, there are many rural towns which no longer have any local bank branch at all. You might have to travel 100s of miles to reach a bank branch office (and there won't be any public transport either). The push is very much towards on-line services and I very much doubt there is a single bank in Australia which doesn't use non-free Javascript in their interface. Still, my main point, which I note RMS did not comment on, is that if the FSF can have a link to Paypal (with a note stating it is not recommended), then I don't see why a GNU project cannot do similar. All that is necessary is to provide an alternative, which could be as simple as a postal address to send donations to. Concerns over privacy of the address can be dealt with by using a post box or a mail service, though I don't see any major issue to be concerned about wrt a mail address.