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I had a question about this format which is what I assume I'd > be using if using org-mode with this on a day-to-day basis if given the > choice. > (from 2. Timestamp with time zone specifier) > > 2022-11-12 10:00 @EST+5 # TZ syntax > > Normally, when I'm communicating things like standard and daylight savings > time via mail or verbally, I'd use this if writing emails or what have you. > ie. 2023-01-31 10:00 EST (or EDT) AFAIK, 2023-01-31 10:00 @EST will work. We need "@" because otherwise we may run into trouble if we need to add more information fields to timestamp syntax. > Is the +5 offset in the example from the poll here to disambiguate the EST > from other ESTs (I realize from > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_time_zone_abbreviations these are not > always unique) or is the idea that someone would have to specify the > timezone offset each entry rather than saying EST or EDT? The aim is to pass the @ transparently to glibc. Anything you can put into TZ environment variable should do. AFAIK, "EST" is allowed via TZDB (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tz_database_time_zones) Note that we will eventually adapt the interactive commands to simplify entering the time zones. Adding time zone completion is one of the obvious useful features. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at