From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: FR: make C-c C-c for storing remember notes optional Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:33:09 +0100 Message-ID: <87prxdtqiy.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <20071209124441.GG15129@atlantic.linksys.moosehall> <87wsrmr2w0.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <20071210222059.GB29684@atlantic.linksys.moosehall> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J23MT-0005zs-41 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:33:17 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J23MR-0005xi-O7 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:33:16 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J23MR-0005xG-GB for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:33:15 -0500 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.175]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J23MQ-0006td-RB for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:33:15 -0500 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so241281ugf.48 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 03:33:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20071210222059.GB29684@atlantic.linksys.moosehall> (Adam Spiers's message of "Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:20:59 +0000") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: org-mode mailing list Adam Spiers writes: >> 1) It's convenient to be able to double-check the content of the >> *Remember* buffer before remembering it with `C-c C-c'. > > It can be yes, but I think it's really a matter of personal taste > applied on a per-template basis. Personally I would rather minimise > keystrokes to enable rapid-fire conversion of mails into TODOs in the > most effortless manner possible, since if I screw up, I can still > easily go to the destination file and fix the new TODO there. Convinced. >> 2) What if there are several %^{prompt} and the user finally decided >> *not* to remember it? If the buffer is remembered at the final >> RET, then she won't be able to cancel the note with `C-c C-k'. > > C-g before the final RET, or switch to the destination file's buffer > and do an undo? I'm still a bit skeptical here. See below. >> 3) `C-c C-c' is really a call to a remember functionnality, not to an >> org ones. I guess it's not good practice to override the expected >> *general* remember behavior... > > I'm certainly not suggesting making it the default - only to make it > possible to enable this behaviour for selected remember templates. > But since I get SO many emails every day, I really need to be able to > apply the 2-minute rule of GTD: if the mail requires > 2 minutes of > attention, I need to be able to convert it into a TODO (linking by > message id via the org-mairix stuff) and archive it safely in the > _absolute_minimum_ number of keystrokes. Otherwise I am constantly in > the "processing" phase of the workflow and never get to the "planning" > and "doing" phases - then the whole system fails miserably :-) Okay. Then each template would have now six elements, the last one specifiying whether it should be automatically processed or not (being nil by default). Whether there are %^{prompt} constructs might be not relevant here: even for plain templates we might want not to have to C-cC-c them for them to be remembered, right? Say for example that you have a template associated with the key "m" and this key binding: (global-set-key [(control meta r)] (lambda () (org-remember nil "m"))) The "m" template doesn't require C-cC-c. If there is %^{prompt} you do C-M-r then interactively enter the info at the prompt, then you're done. If there is no %^{prompt} you just C-M-r and you're done (you don't need to actually *see* what you want to remember...) I think this would be nice. But I guess you see my point about cancelling : with a %^{prompt} it's possible to C-g, but not when there is no %^{prompt} -- which might be a bit dangerous.. anyway, nice idea. I hope Carsten will soon stumble on this :) -- Bastien