From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: wgreenhouse-sGOZH3hwPm2sTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org (W. Greenhouse) Subject: Re: A proposal (ox-html.el/ox-odt.el) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:02:05 +0000 Message-ID: <87ppz4r1pu.fsf@riseup.net> References: <87ober717z.fsf@gmail.com> <87mwu9iwcp.fsf@gmail.com> <87mwu9fiu0.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <878v5tyw4c.fsf_-_@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Cc: emacs-devel-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Jambunathan, Jambunathan K writes: > People are disregarding my "moral rights" over my work and pushing me in > a corner to act a certain way to serve their own interests. This I feel > is plain wrong and an act of snatching or appropriation. > > Jambunathan K. Moral right and copyright are unrelated concepts. In the jurisdictions that recognize "author's moral right" or "droit moral" (much of the EU and other civil-code countries), such right is non-assignable and would not even be affected by the FSF papers. However, in the jurisdictions where copyright is assignable, it has nothing to do with author's moral right. If we're going to discuss "moral right" in the less legalistic and more broad sense of your rights in an ethical society as a person with agency, I think you're disregarding the rights of prior contributors to the ox-html program, of which you were but one of many. Those contributors did intend the code to become part of Emacs, and, morally as well as legally, you entered into an agreement to further that aim when you decided to work on it. If you really do intend to take your ball and go home, do please call a fork a fork--and also do please recognize that you are the one "snatching" or "appropriating" a joint work out of your own sense of pique. > I want to fork ox-html.el and ox-odt.el (as it stands today in Org repo) > to GNU ELPA repo. I request that Emacs maintainers recognize the GNU > ELPA version (maintained by me) as the authoritative official versions > of these files that gets bundled with SUMO Emacs. ... > > Jambunathan > +---------------+ > | ox-html.el +--- push Emacs maintainer > | ox-odt.el | \----- > | GNU ELPA | \----- +--------------------+ > | | \-->| | > +---------------+ | lisp/org/ox-html.el| > ^ Push | lisp/org/ox-odt.el | > | | | > | +--------------------+ > | | Other org files | > +------+---------+ /->| | > | | /--- | | > | Org repo | /---- | | > | | /--- +--------------------+ > | +-- push > | | > | | > +----------------+ > Org maintainer This makes no sense at all. It is needless busywork for the Emacs maintainer to integrate code from one particular contributor who is unable to cooperate with the maintainer of the project to which he contributes. It also unnecessarily inconveniences ordinary Emacs/Org users, who would now face a further obstacle to simply using the software. They already have to go elsewhere to get contrib/ programs or to use the latest version of Org; now you want to make it so that even the release version of Org is fractured and schismed. That is totally unacceptable. -- Regards, WGG