From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) Subject: Re: Organizing and taming hectic Academia work (faculty viewpoint)? Tips or a good guides sought after :) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 14:24:32 +0100 Message-ID: <87pp51t5yn.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> References: <7e093509.51e.14ddb300091.Coremail.chxp_moon@163.com> <87r3pjgu0j.fsf@posteo.de> <87mw06jnuc.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56924) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z3Own-000582-CQ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jun 2015 09:24:39 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z3Owk-0007V5-FO for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jun 2015 09:24:37 -0400 Received: from cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.234.22]:59018) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z3Owk-0007Tb-6X for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jun 2015 09:24:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: (John Kitchin's message of "Thu, 11 Jun 2015 13:02:47 -0400") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: John Kitchin Cc: emacs-orgmode , Titus von der Malsburg For me, I was interested in integrating it with my literate work (lentic). The idea would be a document with some formal representation (using OWL, but it could be anything at all) and some English (or bad English as this is science) representation in the org-mode view. I could hide the formal view, and use this to generate a word doc for the biologists to say "is this what you said, and what you mean?". Then use their comments and feedback to update both the English AND the formal representation. I've already had a paper bounced on the (daft) grounds that "biologists are never going to use Emacs and Clojure" (which I never said they would). A word based representation would be fantastic. I shall investigate further. Phil John Kitchin writes: > I also wasn't familiar with it. > > I just played around with it a bit to see if you could integrate org-ref > with this. You mostly can do it, but the document probably would need > some final manual polishing for some things. > > http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu/blog/2015/06/11/ox-pandoc-org-mode-+-or= g-ref-to-docx-with-bibliographies/ > > > > Phillip Lord writes: > >> I didn't know about this -- this could be a killer feature for me. I >> work a lot with biologists and medics and they are completely >> word-centric. >> >> Phil >> >> Titus von der Malsburg writes: >> >>> On 2015-06-10 Wed 07:14, Ken Mankoff wrote: >>>> I found a happy medium working in Org, exporting to LaTeX, and then >>>> using Pandoc to convert to Word. >>> >>> With ox-pandoc you can export to .docx directly. No need to go through >>> LaTeX. Ox-pandoc is pretty amazing. >>> >>> Titus >>> >>>> I would send the Word and always the canonical PDF version in case some >>>> equations got messed up. This requires manually incorporating the trac= ked >>>> changes from Word, but I've never been a fan of just clicking "accept"= on >>>> changes anyway, and don't mind the manual re-integration of comments. >>>> >>>> -k. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2015-06-10 at 09:49, John Kitchin wrote: >>>>> Speaking as an advisor/teacher, you should do what they want if you w= ant >>>>> them to help you. >>>>> >>>>> You could ask if they are willing to comment on the pdf, either by ha= nd >>>>> writing on a printed version, or by pdf commenting, or maybe in the >>>>> LaTeX source. But, if that is not what they want, and they cannot work >>>>> with what you give them, you will not get as much feedback as you wan= t, >>>>> and you will end up creating frustration on your end and theirs. >>>>> >>>>> windy writes: >>>>> >>>>>> Another question, I am a student , I think it is a big problem that = how to >>>>>> exchange you article with your teacher, because the teacher will com= ment >>>>>> or revise your article once again and again. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, Many teachers will not use emacs to write articles and also= the >>>>>> pdf file is not so convenient to do some modification, how will you = deal >>>>>> with the problem ? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> =E5=9C=A82015=E5=B9=B406=E6=9C=8809 21=E6=97=B621=E5=88=86, "John Ki= tchin"=E5=86=99=E9=81=93: >>>>>> >>>>>> you might also enjoy our youtube video: >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DfgizHHd7nOo >>>>>> >>>>>> And this one on using org-mode in teaching: >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DIsSMs-4GlT8&list=3DFLQp2VLAOlvq142= YN3JO3y8w >>>>>> >>>>>> and >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DcRUCiF2MwP4 >>>>>> >>>>>> See http://github.com/jkitchin/jmax for my Emacs setup for >>>>>> org-mode. >>>>>> >>>>>> My only other advice is start learning to program in emacs-lisp. It = took >>>>>> me about four years to get proficient enough to write org-ref. I lea= rned >>>>>> by solving lots of little problems, and building up to bigger >>>>>> problems. A lot of those are documented in my blog. Read the emacs a= nd >>>>>> emacs-lisp manuals (read them in Emacs or in a browser). They take s= ome >>>>>> time, so skip the stuff that doesn't make sense and come back to it >>>>>> later if you need to. Consider getting the book at >>>>>> https://www.masteringemacs.org. It isn't about org-mode, but it will >>>>>> make you better at using Emacs. Consider reading Land of Lisp. It is= n't >>>>>> about Emacs or Emacs-lisp, but it might interest you in programming = in a >>>>>> lispy language, and it is a fun read. >>>>>> >>>>>> Buy the org-mode book: >>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Org-Mode-Reference-Manual-Organize/dp/98813277= 09/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1433855847&sr=3D8-1&keywords=3Dorg-mode. >>>>>> yes, >>>>>> it is the same stuff as in the manual, but it is a book you can read >>>>>> anywhere anytime. >>>>>> >>>>>> Start by learning how to get org-mode to do some things you want. Ju= st >>>>>> do one thing a day. Every day. >>>>>> >>>>>> You hopefully have 30+ years of career ahead of you, so even if it t= akes >>>>>> a few years or more to learn how to program in emacs-lisp to customi= ze >>>>>> your workflows, you still have plenty of time to benefit from it! >>>>>> >>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>> >>>>>> Holger Wenzel writes: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Xebar, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Xebar Saram gmail.com> writes: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Martin >>>>>>>> Thanks so much for your prompt response. I did ofc do an extensive= google >>>>>>> research yet found that as can be seen in your link most entries fo= cus on >>>>>>> either writing papers or general bits an pieces .What i am looking = for is a >>>>>>> holistic approach regarding organizing all aspects of academic life= and to >>>>>>> hear workflows of other colleagues using org for that >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd start with: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu/blog/2014/08/08/What-we-are-using= -org- >>>>>>> mode-for/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> follow John Kitchin's blog there closely and read everything he pos= ts in >>>>>>> this list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Holger >>>>>>>> z >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 12:16 AM, M web.de> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Von: Xebar Saram gmail.com> >>>>>>>> > Datum: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 19:39:14 +0300 >>>>>>>> > An: org mode gnu.org> >>>>>>>> > Betreff: [O] Organizing and taming hectic Academia work (faculty >>>>>>> viewpoint)? >>>>>>>> > Tips or a good guides sought after :) >>>>>>>> >> Hi all >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Im a young assistant professor (in humanities and thus my horrif= ic >>>>>>> coding >>>>>>>> > skills..basically non ) and having been using orgmode for a year= or two >>>>>>>> > now. I love orgmode dearly and use it mainly for note taking, li= sts etc >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > I am aware of the fantastic orgmode capabilities that could bene= fit me >>>>>>> greatly >>>>>>>> > such as exporting, email tie-ins, beamer support, organizing my >>>>>>> bibliography >>>>>>>> > (i have switched to a .bib file recently for my references), age= nda >>>>>>>> > capabilities and so much moreand have tried several of these wit= h mild >>>>>>>> > success. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > unfortunately (and this maybe due to me not being very technical= and >>>>>>> lack of >>>>>>>> > coding skills) i still feel like im really not using orgmode to = its >>>>>>> potential >>>>>>>> > and still feel miserably lost in terms of organizing my work in = academia >>>>>>> from >>>>>>>> > all aspects. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > i am looking for 2 things really: >>>>>>>> > 1. as i said in the post topic a good guide if anyone is aware o= f or >>>>>>> detailed >>>>>>>> > examples of using org in Academia (mainly aimed at faculty :)) >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > 2. related to that as a young researcher with multiple students,= paper >>>>>>>> > writing, grant applications, department duties, endless TODOS, e= ndless >>>>>>> email i >>>>>>>> > would really be grateful for even non org specific tips on how o= ther >>>>>>> people >>>>>>>> > organize all this to make life more..well..organized :) >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > thanks alot in advance and sorry for the long mail >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > best >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Z >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Xebar, >>>>>>>> I think the first 10 results of the correspondindg google search a= lready >>>>>>>> show some very interesting examples:http://www.google.com/search? >>>>>>> client=3Dsafari&rls=3Den&q=3Demacs+org-mode+in+resear >>>>>>>> ch&ie=3DUTF-8&oe=3DUTF-8 >>>>>>>> Did you have a look at those? >>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>> Martin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>> > > -- > Professor John Kitchin > Doherty Hall A207F > Department of Chemical Engineering > Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh, PA 15213 > 412-268-7803 > @johnkitchin > http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu > > --=20 Phillip Lord, Phone: +44 (0) 191 208 7827 Lecturer in Bioinformatics, Email: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk School of Computing Science, http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/phill= ip.lord Room 914 Claremont Tower, skype: russet_apples Newcastle University, twitter: phillord NE1 7RU=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20= =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20