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From: Bastien <bzg@gnu.org>
To: Timothy <orgmode@tec.tecosaur.net>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: IM dev discussions?
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2022 12:46:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pmfj7mu4.fsf@bzg.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k05t8qa3.fsf@tec.tecosaur.net> (Timothy's message of "Sat, 24 Sep 2022 10:12:06 +0800")

Hi Timothy,

Timothy <orgmode@tec.tecosaur.net> writes:

> Doing something similar for Org development is an interesting idea. Something
> similar probably could be set up with the Org room, or a dedicated Org-dev room
> (I’m aware of Bastien’s thoughts on wanting development and help to not be
> separated, but while I like the idea of them living in the same space, I’m
> personally a big fan of categorisation. For instance, we could make an org-mode
> space with a few different rooms: org-dev, org-help, org-showcase, org-chat,
> etc.).

I'm all for places where people can freely discuss anything related to
Org.  There are already many such places: #org-mode and #org-mode-fr
on IRC, r/org-mode on reddit.com, stackoverflow.com, etc.

I don't want development decisions to be taken in such places---that I
think we all agree upon.

Based on that, I don't want a separated IRC channel or a Matrix room
to be promoted (de facto, by its name) as the place for "contributing
to Org's development": #org-dev or a dedicated Matrix room would sound
like this to newcomers.  #orgmode is the IM complement of the mailing
list: a place where Orgers discuss.  On top of that, the ML is the
place where to suggest patches.

I think I get your point about categorisation in general, but in this
case, there is the risk of excluding a category of people (lurkers,
occasional contributors, etc.) or more precisely: to incidently and
inadvertently encourage them to self-exclude themselves.

> With regards to accessibility, I think Matrix is also reaching a rather good
> point. 

Is it possible to lurk in a Matrix room without any login?

The same way you can send an email to the mailing list without being a
subscriber (vs opening a GitHub issue without having a GitHub account)
you can lurk in #org-mode without having a registered account on the
IRC server, which is good.

> The current state of affairs includes an Emacs client, a host of
> dedicated apps, in-browser web clients, and more. While the ability to peruse
> archives has not yet been developed, it is also possible to copy a link to a
> particular message, and so a conversation can be transferred from Matrix to the
> ML with a link to the initial conversation, e.g.
> <https://matrix.to/#/!rUhEinythPhVTdddsb:matrix.org/$1663983705132172ICPRd:matrix.org>

It's good to be able to connect to Matrix via Emacs: I will try this
myself soon.  

All best,

-- 
 Bastien


  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-09-25 10:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-19 22:57 orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done David Ventimiglia via General discussions about Org-mode.
2022-09-19 22:59 ` David Ventimiglia via General discussions about Org-mode.
2022-09-20  1:32   ` Bastien
2022-09-20  3:59     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-20  5:36       ` Bastien
2022-09-20  5:41         ` Timothy
2022-09-20  7:50           ` Bastien
2022-09-20  9:22             ` IM dev discussions? (was: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done) Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-20 12:11               ` Russell Adams
2022-09-21  8:05                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-21  8:59                   ` Russell Adams
2022-09-21 11:04                     ` Russell Adams
2022-09-22 14:13                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-22 15:52                         ` IM dev discussions? Bastien
2022-09-22 23:07                           ` Matrix (was Re: IM dev discussions?) Tim Cross
2022-09-23  2:38                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-23  2:53                               ` Tim Cross
2022-09-23  6:47                             ` Bastien
2022-09-23  2:35                           ` IM dev discussions? Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-23  6:39                             ` Bastien
2022-09-23 10:10                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-25 11:03                                 ` Bastien
2022-09-25 11:18                                   ` Timothy
2022-09-26  5:31                                     ` Bastien
2022-09-26  4:13                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-26  5:57                                     ` Bastien
2022-09-27  9:50                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-27 21:37                                         ` Bastien
2022-09-29  3:39                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-24  1:44                               ` Tim Cross
2022-09-24  2:12                                 ` Timothy
2022-09-24  6:56                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-25 10:46                                   ` Bastien [this message]
2022-09-25 10:53                                     ` Timothy
2022-09-25 11:53                                       ` Fraga, Eric
2022-09-26  5:03                                       ` Bastien
2022-09-24  3:11                                 ` Mark Barton
2022-09-24  7:02                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-24 13:26                                 ` Jean Louis
2022-09-25 10:33                                 ` Bastien
2022-09-25 10:59                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-24 13:22                   ` IM dev discussions? (was: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done) Jean Louis
2022-09-25  3:36                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-25  4:21                       ` Timothy
2022-09-25 13:37                       ` Russell Adams
2022-09-26  4:46                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-26  6:29                           ` IM dev discussions? Bastien
2022-09-27  9:51                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-27 19:35                               ` Bastien
2022-09-25 16:23                       ` IM dev discussions? (was: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done) zimoun
2022-09-22 14:43           ` orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done Bastien
2022-09-23  2:40             ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-23  6:31               ` Bastien
2022-09-22 15:07           ` Max Nikulin
2022-09-22 17:23             ` Bastien
2022-09-23 16:55               ` Max Nikulin
2022-09-23 16:59                 ` Timothy
2022-09-24  3:16                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-25 10:31                     ` Bastien
2022-09-24  7:00                   ` Bastien
2022-09-24  7:04                     ` Timothy
2022-09-25 10:30                       ` Bastien
2022-09-25 16:19                         ` Timothy
2022-09-26  5:31                           ` Bastien
2022-09-26 15:26                         ` Eduardo Mercovich
2022-09-27 21:56                           ` Bastien
2022-09-24  6:48                 ` Bastien
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-09-24  7:56 IM dev discussions? Payas Relekar
2022-09-26  6:34 Payas Relekar
2022-09-26 15:33 ` Hendursaga
2022-09-27 20:57 ` Bastien
2022-09-28  1:22   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-28  6:55     ` Bastien

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