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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -8.41 X-Spam-Score: -8.41 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 43CD06FB85 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx11.migadu.com X-TUID: b38atHtq8vuq Rudi C writes: > The recent upgrades to Org mode have been a source of great frustration for > me. Many of the configurations I had previously set up stopped working as > intended, and it took me several days to properly identify the issues, > debug them, and find suitable workarounds. Apart from the issue with tab-width you reported, what other breaking changes caused problems for you? > To address this concern, I suggest that all breaking changes in Org mode > follow a versioning scheme similar to Perl's `use v5.34.0;`. This could be > achieved by introducing an `org-defaults-use-version` variable, which would > be set to nil by default, allowing the package to adapt its behavior as > necessary. However, when `org-defaults-use-version` is set to a specific > version, all configuration variables should adhere to the behavior > associated with that particular version. Furthermore, I propose that all > breaking changes be accompanied by a configuration flag, enabling users to > disable the change if they so desire. By implementing these suggestions, > users would be able to upgrade Org mode without the fear of spending hours > dealing with frustration and debugging. This might be a good idea, but not necessary for Org mode in particular. Rather for Emacs in general. Would you be interested to post this suggestion on emacs-devel list? > PS: Is there a changelog that ONLY lists breaking changes? There should be > one ... The very first section in https://orgmode.org/Changes.html lists breaking and important changes. Users are free to limit reading the changelog to this first section. It is not clear for me why we need a separate page. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at