Orgmode for budgeting/expense recording

Orgmode for budgeting/expense recording

[Raffi R]

I was wondering if anyone has any experience using orgmode for
budgeting and (more particularly) keeping track of daily and
day-to-day expenses, and would be interested in describing their
workflow.

Thanks!

- Raffi.

Re: Orgmode for budgeting/expense recording

[Russell Adams]

I use John Wiegley's Ledger:

http://wiki.github.com/jwiegley/ledger

Good luck!

On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 12:13:56PM -0400, Raffi R wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone has any experience using orgmode for
> budgeting and (more particularly) keeping track of daily and
> day-to-day expenses, and would be interested in describing their
> workflow.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> - Raffi.
> 
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Re: Orgmode for budgeting/expense recording

[Raffi R]

Thank you, I will have a look.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Russell Adams <RLAdams@adamsinfoserv.com> wrote:
> I use John Wiegley's Ledger:
>
> http://wiki.github.com/jwiegley/ledger
>
> Good luck!
>
> On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 12:13:56PM -0400, Raffi R wrote:
>> I was wondering if anyone has any experience using orgmode for
>> budgeting and (more particularly) keeping track of daily and
>> day-to-day expenses, and would be interested in describing their
>> workflow.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> - Raffi.
>>
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Re: Orgmode for budgeting/expense recording

[Matt Lundin]

Raffi R <raffir@gmail.com> writes:

> Thank you, I will have a look.

You might also want to have a look at this thread:

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/12892/

Best,
Matt

>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Russell Adams <RLAdams@adamsinfoserv.com> wrote:
>> I use John Wiegley's Ledger:
>>
>> http://wiki.github.com/jwiegley/ledger
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 12:13:56PM -0400, Raffi R wrote:
>>> I was wondering if anyone has any experience using orgmode for
>>> budgeting and (more particularly) keeping track of daily and
>>> day-to-day expenses, and would be interested in describing their
>>> workflow.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> - Raffi.

Re: Orgmode for budgeting/expense recording

[Eric S Fraga]

At Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:43:25 -0500,
Russell Adams wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 12:13:56PM -0400, Raffi R wrote:
> > I was wondering if anyone has any experience using orgmode for
> > budgeting and (more particularly) keeping track of daily and
> > day-to-day expenses, and would be interested in describing their
> > workflow.

> 
> I use John Wiegley's Ledger:
> 
> http://wiki.github.com/jwiegley/ledger
> 
> Good luck!
> 

As do I and highly recommended indeed!

It would be interesting to see a org-babel interface to ledger...
what ledger is missing, in the context of emacs, is an easy way to see
the actual output of the ledger command (e.g. bal or reg) while
looking at the ledger file.

Re: Orgmode for budgeting/expense recording

[Eric S Fraga]

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At Fri, 02 Oct 2009 11:55:22 +0100,
Eric S Fraga wrote:
> It would be interesting to see a org-babel interface to ledger...
> what ledger is missing, in the context of emacs, is an easy way to see
> the actual output of the ledger command (e.g. bal or reg) while
> looking at the ledger file.

okay, interesting enough that I've done a first attempt (good enough
for what I need but probably incredibly clumsy elisp code as I'm
really not an elisp programmer...).  Attached is org-babel-ledger.el
which works with this simple example ledger:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
#+begin_src ledger :results output :cmdline -s bal
2009/09/30 salary
  account:bank       £2000.00
  income:salary
2009/10/01 rent
  payee:landlord     £ 500.00
  account:bank
#+end_src ledger
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

If you change "-s bal" to "reg" you get a register output, for
instance.  I have no idea what happens if you try some of the esoteric
ledger commands but I only tend to use bal and reg with various
arguments...

Works on Debian linux with emacs 23 and most recent org and org-babel.

The definitely clumsy code is in extracting the output of the ledger
command so any input would be more than welcome!

Oh, use by (require 'org-babel-ledger) as per the other languages...

Thanks,
eric


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;;; org-babel-ledger.el --- org-babel functions for ledger evaluation

;; Copyright (c) 2009 Eric S Fraga

;; based on code by
;; Copyright (C) 2009 Eric Schulte

;; Author: Eric Schulte
;; Keywords: literate programming, reproducible research
;; Homepage: http://orgmode.org
;; Version: 0.01

;;; License:

;; This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 3, or (at your option)
;; any later version.
;;
;; This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;; GNU General Public License for more details.
;;
;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;; along with GNU Emacs; see the file COPYING.  If not, write to the
;; Free Software Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor,
;; Boston, MA 02110-1301, USA.

;;; Commentary:

;; Org-Babel support for evaluating ledger entries.
;;
;; This differs from most standard languages in that
;;
;; 1) there is no such thing as a "session" in ledger
;;
;; 2) we are generally only going to return output from the leger program
;;
;; 3) we are adding the "cmdline" header argument
;;
;; 4) there are no variables

;;; Code:
(require 'org-babel)

(org-babel-add-interpreter "ledger")

(add-to-list 'org-babel-tangle-langs '("ledger" "ledger"))

(defvar org-babel-default-header-args:ledger
  '((:results . "output") (:cmdline . "bal"))
  "Default arguments to use when evaluating a ledger source block.")

(defun org-babel-execute:ledger (body params)
  "Execute a block of Ledger entries with org-babel.  This function is
called by `org-babel-execute-src-block'."
  (message "executing Ledger source code block")
  (let ((result-params (split-string (or (cdr (assoc :results params)) "")))
	(cmdline (cdr (assoc :cmdline params)))
        (in-file (make-temp-file "org-babel-ledger"))
	(out-file (make-temp-file "org-babel-ledger-output"))
	)
    (with-temp-file in-file (insert body))
    (message (concat "ledger -f " in-file " " cmdline))
    (with-output-to-string (shell-command (concat "ledger -f " in-file " " cmdline " > " out-file)))
    (with-temp-buffer (insert-file-contents out-file) (buffer-string))
    ))

(defun org-babel-prep-session:ledger (session params)
  (error "Ledger does not support sessions"))

(provide 'org-babel-ledger)
;;; org-babel-ledger.el ends here

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Re: Orgmode for budgeting/expense recording

[Russell Adams]

On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 11:55:22AM +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> what ledger is missing, in the context of emacs, is an easy way to see
> the actual output of the ledger command (e.g. bal or reg) while
> looking at the ledger file.

I use the watch command in another window, its a very useful
combination.

ie: watch ledger -sEV bal

Enjoy.

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Re: Orgmode for budgeting/expense recording

[Eric S Fraga]

At Fri, 2 Oct 2009 09:08:07 -0500,
Russell Adams wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 11:55:22AM +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> > what ledger is missing, in the context of emacs, is an easy way to see
> > the actual output of the ledger command (e.g. bal or reg) while
> > looking at the ledger file.
> 
> I use the watch command in another window, its a very useful
> combination.
> 
> ie: watch ledger -sEV bal

Yes, that would work although I don't need to watch my ledger that
often!  Maybe if I were into day trading... but that requires actual
funds, not to mention a strong constitution these days ;-)

More importantly, it means looking somewhere else other than my org
file.  Nothing exists outside org-mode these days!!  When I turn on my
computer, it immediately starts ratpoison with emacs as the sole
application and my agenda immediately in view filling the whole
monitor...

Thanks,
eric

Re: Orgmode for budgeting/expense recording

[Russell Adams]

On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 03:25:21PM +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> At Fri, 2 Oct 2009 09:08:07 -0500,
> Russell Adams wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 11:55:22AM +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> > > what ledger is missing, in the context of emacs, is an easy way to see
> > > the actual output of the ledger command (e.g. bal or reg) while
> > > looking at the ledger file.
> > 
> > I use the watch command in another window, its a very useful
> > combination.
> > 
> > ie: watch ledger -sEV bal
> 
> Yes, that would work although I don't need to watch my ledger that
> often!  Maybe if I were into day trading... but that requires actual
> funds, not to mention a strong constitution these days ;-)

Often? Only while matching changes or reconciling. My WM makes it easy
to swap around windows so I'll let one or two reports (bal & rec)
running split screen and emacs full screen on another desktop.

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Re: Orgmode for budgeting/expense recording

[Matt Lundin]

Eric S Fraga <ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

> As do I and highly recommended indeed!
>
> It would be interesting to see a org-babel interface to ledger...
> what ledger is missing, in the context of emacs, is an easy way to see
> the actual output of the ledger command (e.g. bal or reg) while
> looking at the ledger file.
>

Do you use ledger.el, which comes with the ledger source? It makes it
very easy to enter new items and to invoke ledger commands from within a
ledger file. I also find it indispensable for reconciling accounts.

Best,
Matt

Re: Orgmode for budgeting/expense recording

[Eric S Fraga]

At Fri, 02 Oct 2009 10:52:37 -0400,
Matt Lundin wrote:
> Do you use ledger.el, which comes with the ledger source? It makes it
> very easy to enter new items and to invoke ledger commands from within a
> ledger file. I also find it indispensable for reconciling accounts.

Thanks Matt.  

I do use the ledger mode (of course ;-) and it helps for adding and
reconciling.  It's the viewing of balances and the register for
specific accounts that I find is missing (i.e. just 'reg' and 'bal'
commands on the command line).  It would be nice if, for instance, a
small window could show a subset of the output of ledger, updated with
any change made to the ledger.  It can obviously be done by executing
a shell command within emacs, of course (cf. the watch command already
suggested!).

But the integration with org-mode via org-babel is so seductive...
and nothing is lost in terms of ledger.el in that it can still be used
to edit the source code block?

Thanks again,
eric

Re: Orgmode for budgeting/expense recording

[Matthew Lundin]

Eric S Fraga <ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

> At Fri, 02 Oct 2009 10:52:37 -0400,
> Matt Lundin wrote:
>> Do you use ledger.el, which comes with the ledger source? It makes it
>> very easy to enter new items and to invoke ledger commands from within a
>> ledger file. I also find it indispensable for reconciling accounts.
>
> Thanks Matt.  
>
> I do use the ledger mode (of course ;-) and it helps for adding and
> reconciling.  It's the viewing of balances and the register for
> specific accounts that I find is missing (i.e. just 'reg' and 'bal'
> commands on the command line).  

This is OT for the org-mode list, but I believe you can call
ledger-report (C-c C-o C-r) with a prefix argument, which will allow you
to enter a more complex ledger command. Or you can type C-c C-o C-r and
then RET for the same thing.

Best,
Matt