From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Enda Subject: #+STARTUP: showstars Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 09:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1337964104.95331.YahooMailNeo@web121403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Reply-To: Enda Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1791075261-1619400074-1337964104=:95331" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33557) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXxaG-0001Bs-Rg for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 12:41:50 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXxaF-0000ud-95 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 12:41:48 -0400 Received: from nm2-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.91.162]:48501) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXxaE-0000u3-UR for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 12:41:47 -0400 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" --1791075261-1619400074-1337964104=:95331 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii With #+STARTUP: hidestars, the output looks nice in Emacs org-mode but not otherwise, can there be an option where a line beginning with a space and a star is like two stars with the hidestars option and a line beginning with two spaces and a star is like three stars (it could be called #+STARTUP: showstars (and even enabled by default)) Best wishes, Enda --1791075261-1619400074-1337964104=:95331 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
With #+STARTUP: hidestars, the output looks nice in Emacs org-mode but
not otherwise, can there be an option where a line beginning with a
space and a star is like two stars with the hidestars option and a
line beginning with two spaces and a star is like three stars (it
could be called #+STARTUP: showstars (and even enabled by default))


Best wishes,

Enda
--1791075261-1619400074-1337964104=:95331-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nick Dokos Subject: Re: #+STARTUP: showstars Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 13:30:50 -0400 Message-ID: <4549.1337967050@alphaville> References: <1337964104.95331.YahooMailNeo@web121403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Reply-To: nicholas.dokos@hp.com Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39922) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXyLn-00045p-Lw for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 13:30:56 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXyLl-0006mp-US for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 13:30:55 -0400 Received: from g4t0017.houston.hp.com ([15.201.24.20]:31621) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXyLl-0006mW-Pe for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 13:30:53 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message from Enda of "Fri, 25 May 2012 09:41:44 PDT." <1337964104.95331.YahooMailNeo@web121403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Enda Cc: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" Enda wrote: > With #+STARTUP: hidestars, the output looks nice in Emacs org-mode but > not otherwise, can there be an option where a line beginning with a > space and a star is like two stars with the hidestars option and a > line beginning with two spaces and a star is like three stars (it > could be called #+STARTUP: showstars (and even enabled by default)) > What do you mean by "otherwise"? Something like fundamental mode? Or when you cat the file? If the former, all I can suggest is to enable org-mode in the buffer. If the latter, try exporting to ascii. In any case, such an option would require major changes to the code, I believe. It's unlikely to be implemented. Nick PS My opinion only, and bear in mind I'm not a maintainer. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Enda Subject: Re: #+STARTUP: showstars Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 10:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1337967782.93492.YahooMailNeo@web121401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1337964104.95331.YahooMailNeo@web121403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4549.1337967050@alphaville> Reply-To: Enda Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1539896107-1108002928-1337967782=:93492" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43928) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXyXb-00023q-5E for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 13:43:08 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXyXY-0001O3-Rk for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 13:43:06 -0400 Received: from nm30.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.90.93]:40605) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXyXY-0001Nl-I0 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 13:43:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4549.1337967050@alphaville> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: "nicholas.dokos@hp.com" Cc: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" ---1539896107-1108002928-1337967782=:93492 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Otherwise is like in vi, the additional stars (like **, opposed to *= ) are too noisy, and since I do not want to see them whether it is in org-m= ode or in vi, etc, so I wondered was there a way to have the file like=0A= =0A* first level heading=0A=0A=A0* second level heading=0A=A0=A0 * third le= vel heading=0A=0Ahighlighted like in hidestars except there would be no sta= rs to hide.=0A=0A=0ABest wishes,=0A=0AEnda=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________________= ___________=0A From: Nick Dokos =0ATo: Enda =0ACc: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" =0ASent:= Friday, May 25, 2012 6:30 PM=0ASubject: Re: [O] #+STARTUP: showstars=0A = =0AEnda wrote:=0A=0A=0A> With #+STARTUP: hidestars, the= output looks nice in Emacs org-mode but=0A> not otherwise, can there be an= option where a line beginning with a=0A> space and a star is like two star= s with the hidestars option and a=0A> line beginning with two spaces and a = star is like three stars (it=0A> could be called #+STARTUP: showstars (and = even enabled by default))=0A> =0A=0AWhat do you mean by "otherwise"? Someth= ing like fundamental mode? Or=0Awhen you cat the file? If the former, all I= can suggest is to enable=0Aorg-mode in the buffer. If the latter, try expo= rting to ascii.=0A=0AIn any case, such an option would require major change= s to the code, I=0Abelieve.=A0 It's unlikely to be implemented.=0A=0ANick= =0A=0APS My opinion only, and bear in mind I'm not a maintainer. ---1539896107-1108002928-1337967782=:93492 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Otherwise = is like in vi, the additional stars (like **, opposed to <SPACE>*) ar= e too noisy, and since I do not want to see them whether it is in org-mode = or in vi, etc, so I wondered was there a way to have the file like

* first level heading
=
 * second level heading
 =   * third level heading

<= span>highlighted like in hidestars except there would be no stars to hide.<= br>

Best wishes,

E= nda


From: Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com>
= To: Enda <enda_k2@yahoo= .com>
Cc: "emacs-or= gmode@gnu.org" <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [O] #+STARTUP: showstars<= br>

=0AEnda <enda_k2@yahoo.com> wrote:

<= br>> With #+STARTUP: hidestars, the output looks nice in Emacs org-mode = but
> not otherwise, can there be an option where a line beginning wi= th a
> space and a star is like two stars with the hidestars option a= nd a
> line beginning with two spaces and a star is like three stars = (it
> could be called #+STARTUP: showstars (and even enabled by defau= lt))
>

What do you mean by "otherwise"? Something like fundam= ental mode? Or
when you cat the file? If the former, all I can suggest i= s to enable
org-mode in the buffer. If the latter, try exporting to asci= i.

In any case, such an option would require major changes to the co= de, I
believe.  It's unlikely to be implemented.

Nick
PS My opinion only, and bear in mind I'm not a maintainer.



=
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---1539896107-1108002928-1337967782=:93492-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Enda Subject: Re: #+STARTUP: showstars (#+STARTUP: showlaststar) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 11:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1337969550.60683.YahooMailNeo@web121406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1337964104.95331.YahooMailNeo@web121403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4549.1337967050@alphaville> <1337967782.93492.YahooMailNeo@web121401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <87obpcb12y.fsf@yagnesh.org> Reply-To: Enda Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1893693950-1074823418-1337969550=:60683" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57549) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXz07-00019T-DS for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 14:12:36 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXz05-0003qw-BP for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 14:12:34 -0400 Received: from nm25-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.91.185]:47532) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXz04-0003qa-VW for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 14:12:33 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87obpcb12y.fsf@yagnesh.org> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Yagnesh Raghava Yakkala Cc: "nicholas.dokos@hp.com" , "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" --1893693950-1074823418-1337969550=:60683 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just saw that #+STARTUP: showstars is the opposite of #+STARTUP: hidestar= s, #+STARTUP: showlaststar would have been a more appropriate subject heade= r.=0A=0Aorg-indent-mode can be activated using #+STARTUP: indent according = to http://orgmode.org/manual/Clean-view.html, however in the same page I se= e that " All headline=0Astars but the last one are made invisible using the= org-hide face", however I want there to be no actual stars except the last= and then org-mode using the right color for each heading like:=0A=0A* firs= t heading=0A=0A* second heading=0A* third heading=0A= =0ABest wishes,=0A=0AEnda=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A Fr= om: Yagnesh Raghava Yakkala =0ATo: Enda = =0ACc: "nicholas.dokos@hp.com" ; "emacs-orgmode@gnu= .org" =0ASent: Friday, May 25, 2012 6:52 PM=0ASubje= ct: Re: #+STARTUP: showstars=0A =0A=0AHello Enda,=0A=0AEnda writes:=0A=0A> Otherwise is like in vi, the additional stars (like **,= opposed to=0A> *) are too noisy, and since I do not want to see the= m whether=0A> it is in org-mode or in vi, etc, so I wondered was there a wa= y to have=0A> the file like=0A>=0A> * first level heading=0A> =A0* second l= evel heading=0A> =A0=A0 * third level heading=0A=0Aare you looking for org-= indent-mode.?=0A=0A--8<---------------cut here---------------start---------= ---->8---=0A(add-hook 'org-mode-hook=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 (lambda ()=0A=A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 (org-indent-mode 1)))=0A--8<---------------cut here---= ------------end--------------->8---=0A=0A--=0AYYR --1893693950-1074823418-1337969550=:60683 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just saw= that #+STARTUP: showstars is the opposite of #+STARTUP: hides= tars, #+STARTUP: showlaststar would have been a more appropria= te subject header.

org-indent-= mode can be activated using #+STA= RTUP: indent according to http://orgmode.org/manual/Clean-view.html, however in the s= ame page I see that " All headline=0Astars but the last one are made= invisible using the org-hide=0Aface", however I want th= ere to be no actual stars except the last and then org-mode using the right= color for each heading like:

* first heading
<SPACE>* second hea= ding
<SPACE><SPACE>* third heading

Best wishes,

<= /div>
Enda


<= span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From: Yagnesh Raghava Yakkala &= lt;hi@yagnesh.org>
To: Enda <enda_k2@yahoo.com>
Cc: "nicholas.dokos@hp.com" <nicholas.do= kos@hp.com>; "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
= Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012= 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: = #+STARTUP: showstars

=0A
Hello Enda,

Enda = <enda_k2@yahoo.com> writes:

> Otherwise is like in vi, t= he additional stars (like **, opposed to
> <SPACE>*) are too no= isy, and since I do not want to see them whether
> it is in org-mode = or in vi, etc, so I wondered was there a way to have
> the file like<= br>>
> * first level heading
>  * second level heading<= br>>    * third level heading

are you looking for org-i= ndent-mode.?

--8<---------------cut here---------------start-----= -------->8---
(add-hook 'org-mode-hook
       =   (lambda ()
            (org-indent= -mode 1)))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end-------------= -->8---

--
YYR


--1893693950-1074823418-1337969550=:60683-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nick Dokos Subject: Re: #+STARTUP: showstars Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 14:16:46 -0400 Message-ID: <5083.1337969806@alphaville> References: <1337964104.95331.YahooMailNeo@web121403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4549.1337967050@alphaville> <1337967782.93492.YahooMailNeo@web121401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <87obpcb12y.fsf@yagnesh.org> Reply-To: nicholas.dokos@hp.com Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44295) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXz4Q-0002J5-EE for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 14:17:20 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXz4D-0005GO-Rf for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 14:17:00 -0400 Received: from g5t0007.atlanta.hp.com ([15.192.0.44]:40513) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXz4D-0005Dh-Li for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 14:16:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message from Yagnesh Raghava Yakkala of "Sat, 26 May 2012 02:52:05 +0900." <87obpcb12y.fsf@yagnesh.org> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Yagnesh Raghava Yakkala Cc: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" , Enda Yagnesh Raghava Yakkala wrote: > > Hello Enda, > > Enda writes: > > > Otherwise is like in vi, the additional stars (like **, opposed to > > *) are too noisy, and since I do not want to see them whether > > it is in org-mode or in vi, etc, so I wondered was there a way to have > > the file like > > > > * first level heading > > =C2=A0* second level heading > > =C2=A0=C2=A0 * third level heading > > are you looking for org-indent-mode.? > > (add-hook 'org-mode-hook > (lambda () > (org-indent-mode 1))) > I may be putting words into the OP's mouth, but I don't think he is looking for org-indent-mode: the multiple asterisks would be there, whether org-indent-mode is on or off (and it would not affect how the file is seen in vi, to use his example). I think he is looking for something that does not exist. But the suggestion of exporting to ascii (and editing that in vi) has not been rejected (yet), so that may be a way forward. Nick From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Enda Subject: Re: #+STARTUP: showstars (#+STARTUP: showlaststar) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 11:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1337970410.75448.YahooMailNeo@web121402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1337964104.95331.YahooMailNeo@web121403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4549.1337967050@alphaville> <1337967782.93492.YahooMailNeo@web121401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <87obpcb12y.fsf@yagnesh.org> <5083.1337969806@alphaville> Reply-To: Enda Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1143764165-1840451232-1337970410=:75448" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46066) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXzDy-0000zu-Dm for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 14:26:55 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXzDw-0000B3-L0 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 14:26:53 -0400 Received: from nm38-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.229.147]:41347) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXzDw-0000AW-AM for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 14:26:52 -0400 In-Reply-To: <5083.1337969806@alphaville> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: "nicholas.dokos@hp.com" , Yagnesh Raghava Yakkala Cc: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" ---1143764165-1840451232-1337970410=:75448 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I might want to edit the file where Emacs is not installed, so I do not want to be exporting to ascii. Best wishes, Enda ________________________________ From: Nick Dokos But the suggestion of exporting to ascii (and editing that in vi) has not been rejected (yet), so that may be a way forward. ---1143764165-1840451232-1337970410=:75448 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I might want to edit the file where Emacs is not installed, so I do not want to be exporting to ascii.


Best wishes,

Enda



From: Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com>

But the suggestion of exporting to ascii (and editing that in vi) has
not been rejected (yet) , so that may be a way forward.


---1143764165-1840451232-1337970410=:75448-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nick Dokos Subject: Re: #+STARTUP: showstars (#+STARTUP: showlaststar) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 14:36:23 -0400 Message-ID: <5275.1337970983@alphaville> References: <1337964104.95331.YahooMailNeo@web121403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4549.1337967050@alphaville> <1337967782.93492.YahooMailNeo@web121401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <87obpcb12y.fsf@yagnesh.org> <5083.1337969806@alphaville> <1337970410.75448.YahooMailNeo@web121402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Reply-To: nicholas.dokos@hp.com Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39814) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXzNF-0004Ji-S5 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 14:36:31 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXzND-0002oX-Hx for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 14:36:29 -0400 Received: from g4t0015.houston.hp.com ([15.201.24.18]:24243) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXzND-0002oF-DQ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 14:36:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message from Enda of "Fri, 25 May 2012 11:26:50 PDT." <1337970410.75448.YahooMailNeo@web121402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Enda Cc: Yagnesh Raghava Yakkala , "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" Enda wrote: > I might want to edit the file where Emacs is not installed, so I do not want to be exporting to ascii. > Then you have to live with the stars. Nick > Best wishes, > > Enda > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: Nick Dokos > > But the suggestion of exporting to ascii (and editing that in vi) has > not been rejected (yet), so that may be a way forward. > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > Alternatives: > > ---------------------------------------------------- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Yagnesh Raghava Yakkala Subject: Re: #+STARTUP: showstars Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 02:52:05 +0900 Message-ID: <87obpcb12y.fsf@yagnesh.org> References: <1337964104.95331.YahooMailNeo@web121403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4549.1337967050@alphaville> <1337967782.93492.YahooMailNeo@web121401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60079) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXzHV-00023K-HK for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 14:30:34 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXzHT-00014e-Fd for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 14:30:33 -0400 Received: from 59x158x65x92.ap59.ftth.ucom.ne.jp ([59.158.65.92]:47001 helo=sur-think) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SXzHS-00013a-TC for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 14:30:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1337967782.93492.YahooMailNeo@web121401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> (Enda's message of "Fri, 25 May 2012 10:43:02 -0700 (PDT)") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Enda Cc: "nicholas.dokos@hp.com" , "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" Hello Enda, Enda writes: > Otherwise is like in vi, the additional stars (like **, opposed to > *) are too noisy, and since I do not want to see them whether > it is in org-mode or in vi, etc, so I wondered was there a way to have > the file like > > * first level heading > =C2=A0* second level heading > =C2=A0=C2=A0 * third level heading are you looking for org-indent-mode.? --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- (add-hook 'org-mode-hook (lambda () (org-indent-mode 1))) --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- -- YYR From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Mark E. Shoulson" Subject: Re: #+STARTUP: showstars Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 16:57:00 -0400 Message-ID: <4FBFF21C.7030508@kli.org> References: <1337964104.95331.YahooMailNeo@web121403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4549.1337967050@alphaville> <1337967782.93492.YahooMailNeo@web121401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <87obpcb12y.fsf@yagnesh.org> <5083.1337969806@alphaville> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40060) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SY1ZJ-0007cM-JU for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 16:57:06 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SY1ZH-0000GQ-Pd for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 16:57:05 -0400 Received: from pi.meson.org ([96.56.207.26]:47153) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SY1ZH-0000FT-Kk for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 16:57:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: <5083.1337969806@alphaville> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Enda writes: >>> Otherwise is like in vi, the additional stars (like **, opposed to >>> *) are too noisy, and since I do not want to see them whether >>> it is in org-mode or in vi, etc, so I wondered was there a way to have >>> the file like >>> >>> * first level heading >>> =C2=A0* second level heading >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 * third level heading >> There seems to be some confusion getting across. As I understand it, this is what the OP is after: Problem: doesn't like the look of multiple *s for headline; prefers the look of hidestars-mode. Furthermore, hidestars isn't good enough, because Enda wants the file *really to be like that*, without the stars there at all, so that it still looks good when being edited in vi or something. It needs to look like hidestars *all the time*, even outside of org, to avoid seeing the ****s. OP's requested fix: change the syntax so that a line which begins with N spaces followed by a star and then more spaces after that acts as if the N spaces at the beginning were stars. That is, * at the start of the line should be a third-level headline, as if it started with ***. OP, please let me know if I'm stating your position correctly. Problem with requested fix: In addition to being a pretty major change to start with, it also already conflicts with established usage. A line that starts with spaces and then a star-space is considered an item in a plain list. Using *s for plain lists is discouraged, because of the potential confusion with headlines if there are no spaces before it, but it is permitted (and if it could have been dropped it would have been already). So, no, this isn't going to happen. I _guess_ one could try defining something like a NO-BREAK-SPACE character to behave like a star at the beginning of the line when it comes to determining headlines, so you basically have a character that *looks* blank you can use for the non-final stars, but that would also be a pretty enormous change and I don't see it looking like a good move either. I hope that accurately portrays the request (and responses thereto). ~mark From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: #+STARTUP: showstars (#+STARTUP: showlaststar) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 23:21:03 +0200 Message-ID: <87obpbx2yc.fsf@altern.org> References: <1337964104.95331.YahooMailNeo@web121403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4549.1337967050@alphaville> <1337967782.93492.YahooMailNeo@web121401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <87obpcb12y.fsf@yagnesh.org> <5083.1337969806@alphaville> <1337970410.75448.YahooMailNeo@web121402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <5275.1337970983@alphaville> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46995) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SY3nY-00080L-76 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 19:19:58 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SY3nW-0000px-2B for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 19:19:55 -0400 Received: from mail-wi0-f171.google.com ([209.85.212.171]:34517) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SY3nV-0000pJ-Ps for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 19:19:53 -0400 Received: by wibhm14 with SMTP id hm14so5569881wib.12 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 16:19:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5275.1337970983@alphaville> (Nick Dokos's message of "Fri, 25 May 2012 14:36:23 -0400") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: nicholas.dokos@hp.com Cc: Yagnesh Raghava Yakkala , "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" , Enda Nick Dokos writes: > Then you have to live with the stars. I think it is awesome to live with the stars. :) -- Bastien From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: #+STARTUP: showstars Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 00:08:26 +0200 Message-ID: <87hav3x2yb.fsf@altern.org> References: <1337964104.95331.YahooMailNeo@web121403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4549.1337967050@alphaville> <1337967782.93492.YahooMailNeo@web121401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <87obpcb12y.fsf@yagnesh.org> <5083.1337969806@alphaville> <4FBFF21C.7030508@kli.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46998) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SY3nY-00081M-GG for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 19:19:57 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SY3nW-0000qP-Rp for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 19:19:56 -0400 Received: from mail-wi0-f169.google.com ([209.85.212.169]:43283) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SY3nW-0000pf-JA for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 19:19:54 -0400 Received: by wibhn14 with SMTP id hn14so6877009wib.0 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 16:19:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FBFF21C.7030508@kli.org> (Mark E. Shoulson's message of "Fri, 25 May 2012 16:57:00 -0400") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: "Mark E. Shoulson" Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi Mark, "Mark E. Shoulson" writes: > Furthermore, hidestars isn't good enough, because Enda wants the file > *really to be like that*, without the stars there at all, so that it still > looks good when being edited in vi or something. Thanks for taking the time to state Enda's position more clearly. The stars will stay here. Based from this, I guess Vi(m) can be clever enough to hide them. Best, -- Bastien From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Michael Brand Subject: Re: #+STARTUP: showstars Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 09:30:15 +0200 Message-ID: References: <1337964104.95331.YahooMailNeo@web121403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4549.1337967050@alphaville> <1337967782.93492.YahooMailNeo@web121401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <87obpcb12y.fsf@yagnesh.org> <5083.1337969806@alphaville> <4FBFF21C.7030508@kli.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57365) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SYBS9-00053B-BV for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 26 May 2012 03:30:23 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SYBS7-0003KE-96 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 26 May 2012 03:30:20 -0400 Received: from mail-wg0-f49.google.com ([74.125.82.49]:59664) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SYBS6-0003Je-W3 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 26 May 2012 03:30:19 -0400 Received: by wgbds1 with SMTP id ds1so1185566wgb.30 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 00:30:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FBFF21C.7030508@kli.org> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Bastien , Enda , "Mark E. Shoulson" , Nick Dokos , Peter Salazar , Yagnesh Raghava Yakkala , Org Mode Hi all On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Mark E. Shoulson wrote: > OP's requested fix: change the syntax so that a line which begins with N > spaces followed by a star and then more spaces after that acts as if the N > spaces at the beginning were stars. That is, * at the > start of the line should be a third-level headline, as if it started with > ***. It seems that Org fileconversion, which does exactly this with hidestarsfile and which I announced on the list here with four posts spread over February, did not yet get through the noise. Even though I asked some questions then. :-( http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/51981 > I _guess_ one could try defining something like a NO-BREAK-SPACE character > to behave like a star at the beginning of the line when it comes to > determining headlines, so you basically have a character that *looks* blank > you can use for the non-final stars, This is a nice idea and I just added it to fileconversion 0.6 as nbspstarsfile. With the small generalization of fileconversion I did some time ago to cover also markdown headlines (Peter Salazar, any feedback?) it was very easy to extend it also to nbspstarsfile: http://orgmode.org/worg/org-hacks.html#fileconversion For the #+STARTUP keyword now nbspstarsfile is used in favor of showstars because I think it aligns better with the already existing hidestars, hidestarsfile and markdownstarsfile. Michael From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Michael Brand Subject: Re: #+STARTUP: showstars Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 09:53:36 +0200 Message-ID: References: <1337964104.95331.YahooMailNeo@web121403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4549.1337967050@alphaville> <1337967782.93492.YahooMailNeo@web121401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <87obpcb12y.fsf@yagnesh.org> <5083.1337969806@alphaville> <4FBFF21C.7030508@kli.org> <87hav3x2yb.fsf@altern.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42122) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SYBoj-0002pQ-LU for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 26 May 2012 03:53:42 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SYBoh-0007iI-U2 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 26 May 2012 03:53:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87hav3x2yb.fsf@altern.org> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Bastien Cc: Org Mode Hi Bastien On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 12:08 AM, Bastien wrote: > Based from this, I guess Vi(m) can be clever enough to hide them. I also assume yes. But then notably tools that list file contents prefixed like "grep" and "nl", but also non-prefixed like "cat", "more", "less" etc. still don't. Of course, for the latter one could write a one line filter command. But one that suits also "grep" and "nl" is impossible. And I don't want to have to use this filter and to have it with me all times. My compromise for my private Org files is to be forced to use fileconversion when an Org mode is available. Not a big deal because I can't use Emacs productively without customization anyway. Michael From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Sebastien Vauban" Subject: Re: #+STARTUP: showstars (#+STARTUP: showlaststar) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 14:19:28 +0200 Message-ID: <80hauz9o33.fsf@somewhere.org> References: <1337964104.95331.YahooMailNeo@web121403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4549.1337967050@alphaville> <1337967782.93492.YahooMailNeo@web121401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <87obpcb12y.fsf@yagnesh.org> <5083.1337969806@alphaville> <1337970410.75448.YahooMailNeo@web121402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <5275.1337970983@alphaville> <87obpbx2yc.fsf@altern.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Bastien wrote: > Nick Dokos writes: > >> Then you have to live with the stars. > > I think it is awesome to live with the stars. > > :) Ask Carsten! Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nick Dokos Subject: Re: #+STARTUP: showstars (#+STARTUP: showlaststar) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 00:05:36 -0400 Message-ID: <3367.1338523536@alphaville> References: <1337964104.95331.YahooMailNeo@web121403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4549.1337967050@alphaville> <1337967782.93492.YahooMailNeo@web121401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <87obpcb12y.fsf@yagnesh.org> <5083.1337969806@alphaville> <1337970410.75448.YahooMailNeo@web121402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <5275.1337970983@alphaville> <87obpbx2yc.fsf@altern.org> Reply-To: nicholas.dokos@hp.com Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57186) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SaJ7R-0006tN-Ad for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 00:05:46 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SaJ7P-0005yn-86 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 00:05:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message from Bastien of "Fri, 25 May 2012 23:21:03 +0200." <87obpbx2yc.fsf@altern.org> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Bastien Cc: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" Bastien wrote: > Nick Dokos writes: > > > Then you have to live with the stars. > > I think it is awesome to live with the stars. > > :) > > -- > Bastien > Not sure why, but I seem to be getting copies of old mail that I'm pretty sure I have seen before (e.g. the above from Friday 2012-05-25). According to the headers, it seems to have bounced around noon.org for a week: ,---- | ... | Received: from noon.org (noon.org [192.220.74.114]) | by g1t0024.austin.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91337402A | for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 03:45:22 +0000 (UTC) | Received: (qmail 1624 invoked by uid 19058); 1 Jun 2012 03:45:16 -0000 | MBOX-Line: From emacs-orgmode-bounces+fhew=noon.org@gnu.org Fri May 25 23:20:38 2012 | Received: (qmail 7112 invoked by uid 19058); 25 May 2012 23:20:37 -0000 | Received: from unknown (HELO lists.gnu.org) ([208.118.235.17]) | (envelope-sender ) | by 192.220.74.114 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP | for ; 25 May 2012 23:20:37 -0000 | Received: from localhost ([::1]:42497 helo=lists.gnu.org) | by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) | (envelope-from ) | id 1SY3oD-0001Io-7S | for fhew@noon.org; Fri, 25 May 2012 19:20:37 -0400 | ... `---- Just fyi (and in case fhew@noon.org is listening)... Nick PS. Bastien, you are star-struck ;-)