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[106.69.82.36]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g8sm9508048pja.14.2021.06.18.16.45.32 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 18 Jun 2021 16:45:33 -0700 (PDT) References: <87mtrod7b1.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <1878865.1623937092@apollo2.minshall.org> <877disih8d.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87bl84a1h2.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <871r90i7wc.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <8735tfa9cj.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87y2b7e6an.fsf@mat.ucm.es> User-agent: mu4e 1.5.13; emacs 27.2.50 From: Tim Cross To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: example paper written in org completely Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2021 09:26:02 +1000 In-reply-to: <87y2b7e6an.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Message-ID: <87o8c220v9.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::431; envelope-from=theophilusx@gmail.com; helo=mail-pf1-x431.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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These guides are > written (no joke) in MS Office format pre-97. It has complex but badly > formatted tables that makes it impossible to edit with anything > than MS Office (or the markup is distorted). > We had exactly the same problem. This is a good example of the important v urgent problem we are often faced with and is a critical part of how I manage my todo lists. A major pitfall with todo lists and priorities is that we fail to make the distinction between important and urgent tasks. What ends up happening is that all our time gets consumed by urgent tasks and we never get time to address important tasks. Unfortunately, it is the important tasks which, once completed, will reduce the number or time taken to deal with urgent tasks - we end up being more reactive and proactive. In our case, we all hated having to update/edit the course guides in MS Office because it was painful and time consuming, but urgent. However, nobody belt they had the time to fix matters, despite us all agreeing it was important. One year, we decided to just let some urgent tasks slip, accept the flak this caused and instead spend the time fixing the formatting of the course guides. We actually ended up developing a new format, inspired by org and some markdown formats and which used pandoc to generate the final output. We were forgiven for failing to meet some urgent deadlines because in the end, we had far better quality course guides which were easier to maintain and available in more formats with greater consistency. Unfortunately, the resources freed by not having to spend so long updating the course guides each year was soon absorbed by other urgent tasks, so ultimately, no real change in workload. However, students were happier as course guides were better and we were then able to move on to other important v urgent battles. What would have been really great is if we had more Emacs users. We could then just have used org mode for the base format and even less work would have been required to convert from MS Office, but that will never happen. On the up side, I do see more and more ideas originally germinated in an Emacs environment finding there way into other tool chains, so perhaps the environments of the future won't suck quite as much as they might if MS Office had been the only source for inspiration! As the Beta v VHS war demonstrated, great technology is not enough, you also need to factor in marketing and advertising budgets of the competition! -- Tim Cross