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Fri, 17 May 2024 15:33:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Ihor Radchenko To: =?utf-8?Q?Andr=C3=A1s?= Simonyi Cc: emacs-orgmode list Subject: Re: [PATCH] oc-csl: New custom option `org-cite-csl-sentence-case-bibtex-titles' In-Reply-To: References: <87zfswtg3u.fsf@localhost> Date: Fri, 17 May 2024 13:34:53 +0000 Message-ID: <87o7948sua.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Spam-Score: -8.95 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 5CEC6E7B5 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx10.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -8.95 X-TUID: jGdxpRU28fbT Andr=C3=A1s Simonyi writes: > On Sat, 11 May 2024 at 19:24, Ihor Radchenko wrote: > >>> > since bibtex and biblatex requires title fields to be in title case >> Are you sure? AFAIK, bibtex and biblatex (depending on the bibstyle) >> does not care about capitalization and instead applies its own, unless >> the title explicitly protects the capitalization/case with {Curly >> BracketS}. > > Yes, I'm pretty sure that the expected casing in .bib bibliography > databases for the title fields is by default title case, plus > protective braces around texts whose case shouldn't be touched during > formatting (of course, formatting itself can produce both sentence and > title case from this input depending on the used style). This > requirement was already clearly stated in Lamport's original LaTeX > book. To quote the relevant part of "The Bibliography Database" > chapter (2nd edition, p. 158): > ... > These requirements haven't changed since then and also hold for > biblatex, see, e.g., > ... Thanks for the explanation. I also cross-checked with the examples given in https://ctan.org/pkg/bibtex - all consistent. > I'm a bit unsure about naming the option: > Perhaps `org-cite-csl-sentence-case-bibtex-titles-without-langid' > would be more precise but I found it absurdly long and technical, as > most users are probably unaware of the existence of langid fields. Maybe org-cite-csl-sentence-case-english-titles? Also, it would be nice to point out the CSL and Bibtex have different conventions for the title field. --=20 Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at