From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Thorsten Jolitz Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IEZyYW7Dp29pcyBQaW5hcmQgUklQ?= Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 12:22:57 +0200 Message-ID: <87mwc1vgji.fsf@gmail.com> References: <871tte3dty.fsf@alphaville.bos.redhat.com> <87wqb5ltbb.fsf@gmx.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42974) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X9XE6-0005AT-MT for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 06:23:24 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X9XE1-0004Vl-AA for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 06:23:18 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:56012) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X9XE1-0004Ve-3y for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 06:23:13 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1X9XDy-0005LI-MK for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 12:23:10 +0200 Received: from g231108246.adsl.alicedsl.de ([92.231.108.246]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 12:23:10 +0200 Received: from tjolitz by g231108246.adsl.alicedsl.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 12:23:10 +0200 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Rasmus writes: > Nick Dokos writes: > >> I just found out that François Pinard (author of org grep among other >> tools and frequent contributor to this list) died recently: This is sad news. Somehow, whenever I had an idea for a *brandnew*, cool&useful little Org library and went ahead implementing it, it turned out that François had this idea before and already had implemented his own version of the library. This happened first when I announced Outorg, only to find out that he had announced Poporg a few weeks ago. Then someone requested a feature for Outshine that shows the number of hidden lines in folded headlines, which I implemented and then factored out as the small 'org-hlc.el' library (Org hidden-lines-cookies). Only to find out a bit later that there was 'org-weights.el' by - guess whom. The completely different implementations show that all these libraries were developed completely independently, but nevertheless - François was very kind and friendly all the time, not a sign of anger that somebody 'stole ideas' or 'doubled efforts' or so. It actually became a kind of internal joke between us that for whatever project I started, he already had an implementation in his "back-catalogue", and I used to send him a PM first before starting a new project. While its normally a pretty frustrating thing to write a library that already exists, it turned out that our implementations complemented each other rather than competed with each other (see our joint article http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-outside-org.html on Worg). So nowadays I tend to use his Poporg (https://github.com/pinard/poporg) for editing doc-strings of functions and variables in Org-mode, and my own Outorg for editing whole subtrees and (outshine) buffers in Org-mode. Its sad that this extremely friendly "competition" between Org library writers cannot continue. RIP -- cheers, Thorsten