From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Ted Wiles Subject: Org Mode Research Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 13:25:27 -0500 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1148875240f5dd05458542bf Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47994) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPvgJ-0006JO-FM for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 13:25:32 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPvgI-0006Eb-B7 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 13:25:31 -0500 Received: from mail-qk0-x233.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c09::233]:33653) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPvgI-0006D7-6h for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 13:25:30 -0500 Received: by mail-qk0-x233.google.com with SMTP id s140so82381131qke.0 for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 10:25:28 -0800 (PST) List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --001a1148875240f5dd05458542bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Org Moders, I'm doing some research on org mode usage and would love to hear your perspective. Here's the survey link: https://goo.gl/forms/9I0uL3Er2TuEszfH3 If I get enough responses, I'll be happy to post the results online for all to see! Best Regards, Ted --001a1148875240f5dd05458542bf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Org Moders,

I'm doing some research= on org mode usage and would love to hear your perspective. Here's the = survey link:


=
If I get enough responses, I'll be happy to post the results= online for all to see!

Best Regards,
Te= d
--001a1148875240f5dd05458542bf-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Thomas S. Dye" Subject: Re: Org Mode Research Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2017 09:39:24 -1000 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60223) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPwqG-0002Yu-73 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 14:39:53 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPwqD-0006XD-0r for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 14:39:52 -0500 Received: from gproxy5-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com ([67.222.38.55]:46965) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPwqC-0006Wm-LP for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 14:39:48 -0500 In-reply-to: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Ted Wiles Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org FYI, the survey appears to be market research for non-GPL vaporware. Ted Wiles writes: > Org Moders, > > I'm doing some research on org mode usage and would love to hear your > perspective. Here's the survey link: > > https://goo.gl/forms/9I0uL3Er2TuEszfH3 All the best, Tom -- Thomas S. Dye http://www.tsdye.com From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: John Hendy Subject: Re: Org Mode Research Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 13:54:47 -0600 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33476) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPx4l-0006ne-Gl for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 14:54:52 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPx4k-00031P-B7 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 14:54:51 -0500 Received: from mail-it0-x22a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22a]:38677) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPx4k-000305-6Y for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 14:54:50 -0500 Received: by mail-it0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id x2so38740695itf.1 for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 11:54:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: "Thomas S. Dye" Cc: emacs-orgmode , Ted Wiles On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Thomas S. Dye wrote: > FYI, the survey appears to be market research for non-GPL vaporware. Why the assumption of non-GPL? Just because web-based Org is hinted at and leading/feature hunting questions are a common trait of someone not wanting to reveal a commercial project? Theoretically it could just be a hobby project being looked into, right? Just curious. John > > Ted Wiles writes: > >> Org Moders, >> >> I'm doing some research on org mode usage and would love to hear your >> perspective. Here's the survey link: >> >> https://goo.gl/forms/9I0uL3Er2TuEszfH3 > > All the best, > Tom > > -- > Thomas S. Dye > http://www.tsdye.com > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Kaushal Modi Subject: Re: Org Mode Research Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2017 20:16:46 +0000 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0405c802fe94054586d1e5 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36556) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPxQD-0003yZ-IZ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 15:17:02 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPxQC-00024N-Eb for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 15:17:01 -0500 Received: from mail-ua0-x243.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400c:c08::243]:33308) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPxQC-00023y-8b for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 15:17:00 -0500 Received: by mail-ua0-x243.google.com with SMTP id d5so38912965uag.0 for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 12:16:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: John Hendy , "Thomas S. Dye" Cc: emacs-org list , Ted Wiles --94eb2c0405c802fe94054586d1e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I find that project interesting, and something that could bridge the gap between emacs and non-emacs org mode users. What suggests that this is non-GPL and 'vaporware'? @Ted: It would be nice if this can be developed as part of GNU org-mode. On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Thomas S. Dye wrote: > > FYI, the survey appears to be market research for non-GPL vaporware. > -- Kaushal Modi --94eb2c0405c802fe94054586d1e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I find that project interesting, and something that could bridge the gap be= tween emacs and non-emacs org mode users.=C2=A0

What sug= gests that this is non-GPL and 'vaporware'?

@Ted: It would be nice if this can be developed as part of GNU org-mode.= =C2=A0

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Thomas S. Dye <tsd@tsdye= .com> wrote:
> FYI, the survey appears to be market research for non-GPL vaporware.
--

Kaushal Modi

--94eb2c0405c802fe94054586d1e5-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Colin Baxter Subject: Re: Org Mode Research Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2017 20:43:29 +0000 Message-ID: <87mvf2ha8e.fsf@yandex.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39244) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPxq4-000159-9l for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 15:43:45 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPxpz-0002pk-FM for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 15:43:44 -0500 Received: from forward1j.cmail.yandex.net ([5.255.227.19]:49091) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPxpz-0002pV-33 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 15:43:39 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Ted Wiles's message of "Sat, 7 Jan 2017 13:25:27 -0500") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Ted Wiles Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hello On Sat, Jan 07 2017, Ted Wiles wrote: > Org Moders, > > I'm doing some research on org mode usage and would love to hear your perspective. Here's the > survey link: > > https://goo.gl/forms/9I0uL3Er2TuEszfH3 > > If I get enough responses, I'll be happy to post the results online for all to see! > > Best Regards, > Ted I would want to see much more information about the motive and people behind the Survey before I would take part. Sorry. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Thomas S. Dye" Subject: Re: Org Mode Research Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2017 11:19:10 -1000 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43307) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPyOg-0008QH-5q for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 16:19:31 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPyOc-0004p8-Ta for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 16:19:30 -0500 Received: from gproxy4-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com ([69.89.23.142]:38025) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPyOc-0004ov-Ix for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 16:19:26 -0500 In-reply-to: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Kaushal Modi Cc: emacs-org list , Ted Wiles Aloha Kaushal Modi, Kaushal Modi writes: > I find that project interesting, and something that could bridge the gap > between emacs and non-emacs org mode users. > > What suggests that this is non-GPL and 'vaporware'? No mention of GPL, still looking at which features of Org mode to be implemented. Ted can correct me if my impression is wrong. I agree with you the project is interesting. All the best, Tom -- Thomas S. Dye http://www.tsdye.com From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Ted Wiles Subject: Re: Org Mode Research Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 16:28:18 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87mvf2ha8e.fsf@yandex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c043eba2f8f79054587d0a4 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44459) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPyXF-0003XI-Mn for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 16:28:23 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPyXE-00085w-1c for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 16:28:21 -0500 Received: from mail-qk0-x22f.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22f]:36014) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cPyXD-00085n-RX for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 16:28:19 -0500 Received: by mail-qk0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id 11so9305529qkl.3 for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 13:28:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87mvf2ha8e.fsf@yandex.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Colin Baxter Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --94eb2c043eba2f8f79054587d0a4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thanks all! For context, I just started implementing org-mode workplanning at my job (personal user since 2007) and it's increased my productivity 10x. As I manage others I was curious about hearing about how others use org-mode in a team setting. While I was at it, I thought that it would be helpful and interesting to get a gut-check on the basic idea I was thinking of implementing to collaborate with my team. Some preliminary findings of interest: - Tags are unpopular, only 56% of people use them. Especially surprising as 70% use source-code blocks. - Largest barrier to further org mode usage is a lack of emacs expertise. Not really a surprise here. - 75% of people put their org-mode files under git version control. - We are all big promoters of using org-mode with the people we work with, and highly skeptical of their ability and desire to realize these benefits :) - mobile and calendar integration have come up as major pains multiple times in free responses I am hoping to condense findings into a pithy summary and post on github (or worg, although I've never figured out how to do that easily) so that everyone can see. I also think the term "market research" significantly overestimates my ability / desire to execute on this :) I get the concern on GPL vs. non-GPL, I also really like org mode as it fundamentally gives me control over my own data, but given where this is right now (a google forms survey) I think it's kind of a moot discussion. And yes, I know that the survey isn't very good, and that there are typos, and that certain things could have been asked better! I have made some revisions incorporating some of these comments. Thanks again, Ted On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Colin Baxter wrote: > Hello > > On Sat, Jan 07 2017, Ted Wiles wrote: > > > Org Moders, > > > > I'm doing some research on org mode usage and would love to hear your > perspective. Here's the > > survey link: > > > > https://goo.gl/forms/9I0uL3Er2TuEszfH3 > > > > If I get enough responses, I'll be happy to post the results online for > all to see! > > > > Best Regards, > > Ted > > I would want to see much more information about the motive and people > behind the Survey before I would take part. Sorry. > --94eb2c043eba2f8f79054587d0a4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks all!

For context, I just st= arted implementing org-mode workplanning at my job (personal user since 200= 7) and it's increased my productivity 10x. As I manage others I was cur= ious about hearing about how others use org-mode in a team setting. While I= was at it, I thought that it would be helpful and interesting to get a gut= -check on the basic idea I was thinking of implementing to collaborate with= my team.

Some preliminary findings of inter= est:

- Tags are unpopular, only 56% of people use = them. Especially surprising as 70% use source-code blocks.
- Larg= est barrier to further org mode usage is a lack of emacs expertise. Not rea= lly a surprise here.
- 75% of people put their org-mode files und= er git version control.
- We are all big promoters of using org-m= ode with the people we work with, and highly skeptical of their ability and= desire to realize these benefits :)
- mobile and calendar integr= ation have come up as major pains multiple times in free responses

I am hoping to condense findings into a pithy summary and = post on github (or worg, although I've never figured out how to do that= easily) so that everyone can see.

I also think th= e term "market research" significantly overestimates my ability /= desire to execute on this :) I get the concern on GPL vs. non-GPL, I also = really like org mode as it fundamentally gives me control over my own data,= but given where this is right now (a google forms survey) I think it's= kind of a moot discussion.

And yes, I know that t= he survey isn't very good, and that there are typos, and that certain t= hings could have been asked better! I have made some revisions incorporatin= g some of these comments.

Thanks again,
= Ted


On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Colin Baxter <= m43cap@yandex.com> wrote:
H= ello

On Sat, Jan 07 2017, Ted Wiles wrote:

> Org Moders,
>
> I'm doing some research on org mode usage and would love to hear y= our perspective. Here's the
> survey link:
>
> https://goo.gl/forms/9I0uL3Er2TuEszfH3
>
> If I get enough responses, I'll be happy to post the results onlin= e for all to see!
>
> Best Regards,
> Ted

I would want to see much more information about the motive and = people
behind the Survey before I would take part. Sorry.

--94eb2c043eba2f8f79054587d0a4-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Thomas S. Dye" Subject: Re: Org Mode Research Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2017 13:06:34 -1000 Message-ID: References: <87mvf2ha8e.fsf@yandex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60142) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cQ04c-0008Gc-VY for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 18:06:56 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cQ04Y-0003JP-TK for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 18:06:54 -0500 Received: from gproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com ([67.222.39.168]:33644) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cQ04Y-0003J4-J0 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 18:06:50 -0500 In-reply-to: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Ted Wiles Cc: Colin Baxter , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Aloha Ted, Ted Wiles writes: > I also think the term "market research" significantly overestimates my > ability / desire to execute on this :) I'm curious why you chose to introduce your survey as "I'm doing a market research project on org mode users ..." if you think the term overestimates your ability and/or desire to execute? All the best, Tom -- Thomas S. Dye http://www.tsdye.com From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: John Hendy Subject: Re: Org Mode Research Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 17:47:14 -0600 Message-ID: References: <87mvf2ha8e.fsf@yandex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36779) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cQ0hh-0007BU-BF for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 18:47:18 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cQ0hg-000149-4O for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 18:47:17 -0500 Received: from mail-io0-x233.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c06::233]:36706) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cQ0hf-000143-V6 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 18:47:16 -0500 Received: by mail-io0-x233.google.com with SMTP id j13so3148658iod.3 for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 15:47:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Ted Wiles Cc: Colin Baxter , emacs-orgmode On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Ted Wiles wrote: > Thanks all! [snip] > I get the concern on GPL vs. non-GPL, > I also really like org mode as it fundamentally gives me control over my own > data, but given where this is right now (a google forms survey) I think it's > kind of a moot discussion. But which is it; you get the concern but don't answer either way? I take this to imply that if this *does* bloom into something it will be non-GPL? John > > Thanks again, > Ted > > > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Colin Baxter wrote: >> >> Hello >> >> On Sat, Jan 07 2017, Ted Wiles wrote: >> >> > Org Moders, >> > >> > I'm doing some research on org mode usage and would love to hear your >> > perspective. Here's the >> > survey link: >> > >> > https://goo.gl/forms/9I0uL3Er2TuEszfH3 >> > >> > If I get enough responses, I'll be happy to post the results online for >> > all to see! >> > >> > Best Regards, >> > Ted >> >> I would want to see much more information about the motive and people >> behind the Survey before I would take part. Sorry. > >