From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id aDzzK6gtpWAkYwEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 19 May 2021 17:24:24 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id wJ2sJ6gtpWDNegAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 19 May 2021 15:24:24 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C3549D21 for ; Wed, 19 May 2021 17:24:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:36936 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ljO3a-00075P-9I for larch@yhetil.org; Wed, 19 May 2021 11:24:22 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43976) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ljO3D-00074z-V0 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 19 May 2021 11:23:59 -0400 Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.195]:54175) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ljO3B-0004M8-LZ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 19 May 2021 11:23:59 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: admin@nicolasgoaziou.fr) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8481160006; Wed, 19 May 2021 15:23:51 +0000 (UTC) From: Nicolas Goaziou To: Denis Maier Subject: Re: [wip-cite-new] Initial implementation of `biblatex' citation processor References: <87bl985b3h.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <10eb58b2-5da3-b768-cf56-87aa447346d7@mailbox.org> <5a23225d-118a-d08e-a1d7-f9fe3791c1bf@mailbox.org> <87lf8a4z3a.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <52aade3f-3e8e-bd56-109e-c6cfd9254915@mailbox.org> Mail-Followup-To: Denis Maier , Bruce D'Arcus , org-mode-email Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 17:23:50 +0200 In-Reply-To: <52aade3f-3e8e-bd56-109e-c6cfd9254915@mailbox.org> (Denis Maier's message of "Wed, 19 May 2021 16:31:02 +0200") Message-ID: <87mtsq3fy1.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.195; envelope-from=mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr; helo=relay3-d.mail.gandi.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: org-mode-email , Bruce D'Arcus Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1621437864; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=W8kDTArMdVWXJMY75b6qZW0cT4/BBjgOnAld0kOraQA=; b=IABqrqy9EyVO+RoYvFsDvYuRUisydox9j/rmlVhde0Qk/SZICaVYTW031kTCt9rBWLsJHx UmkXFDsDAudWa+/bJ67YOtp9JSRc4c+K2PwTf1Sd8NR4bZmM4p4CvUUWUNQlRS7WQIbFjp vH0TYNv4IDaIdZMWTHWE4fRfDFkBgPOo2NkjyT2Dc0g8cvJ6JiLZwkzu4iuk9WKqqyDxek 72qpygVmSfE1lO/83gB3f7bHl913Qp28hVeQwViUjv0AQ8iZxuccAngbNgZrj7psFTet0m nho3+NPS1Zca0scC9PEOjMs5Mz4JObR2iYVxpYTZ6GnoaA8o/3xwZkY5hzApyQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1621437864; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=meaiq3mTO/P5vs8z6pytqCF5jMmUwG5qremjvfHE2i15o3L57df2K7eego83u0tgQyCzKw SZ4aBFnW2dumWzc6ZBwOwlHJtx216cLTjSNgBt6vJ7EotLIVJ8Z7TdW1+gjuatiClznkkR dN2SLOhU8kWaSv2LtsGHDx4o+zER2ZPqkPw8ne+vw4HJGiSMY9iW/wZZAjG8VAspcwoeeA cebY5hF6dchffGbdRKRRePZItTVAXSPZxz0yiDb+Xyv5JWr/KaiF+lUVextay859e25e/0 bBgM31oxp5dJW9jVAEog6IofxMxkM2cOQUISbNNIYyRke7pIZzHylNIKSBF9Gw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.44 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2C3549D21 X-Spam-Score: -2.44 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: vt1vQzh9ECwF Denis Maier writes: > In that case, I'd think that note/bare =3D> footcitecite isn't > a particular good fit. Footcitetext puts the citation in a footnote, > just that it doesn't print a footnote mark in a running text. > (This is useful in cases where the regular footnote mechanism in LaTeX > doesn't work, e.g. in headings or tables. In these cases you' can > place the mark manually with \footnotemark, and later you specify the > text with \footnotetext, or in that case with \footcitetext.) OK, I'll remove it. What about also removing \footcite altogether? We could simply automatically wrap the citation in a inline footnote before exporting the document. No need for a special command. Org already handles footnotes in headings and tables, so there may be no need to footcitetext either=E2=80=A6 > Regarding: >> | locators | bare | notecite | >> | locators | caps | Pnotecite | >> | locators | bare-caps | Notecite | >> | locators | | pnotecite | > > fnotecite should be added. Under what style/variant combination? >> One problem is there is no "\cite", or "\parencite". I though they would >> make a good fit for the default style, "\cite" being the "bare" variant >> of "\parencite", and "\autocite" could be moved to a "auto" style. I'm >> not sure where to put \cite, then. > > Why not just add a cite/parens style? OK. > \cite could be [cite/bare: ...] This would be confusing. So far, "bare" is a style variant. Your suggestion promotes it exceptionally to a full-fledged style. It hurts my logic. :) Could "\cite" be [cite/parens/bare:...] instead? > Regarding \autocite being the default: > I think one strong argument in favor of this is that people may want > to switch between different citation export processors. So if you > typeset your article with latex you may want to use biblatex. But if > the journal accepts submissions only as docx files you'll have to > switch to a CSL-based citeproc. Here, the default is to wrap the > citation either in a footnote or in parentheses, depending on the > style. > So, to ensure portability of documents across export systems [cite: > @doe] should give similar results with different systems, and I think=20 > \autocite would be the best choice. (By the way, it's also the way > pandoc implements this.) Users can disregard any default style chosen by the processor. If I write: #+cite_export: biblatex whatever text all [cite:...] objects will create \textcite commands, no matter what the processor thinks about it. So, an hypothetical #+cite_export: biblatex foo auto could also turn all [cite:...] into \autocite commands and the document would be portable. The default processor style for citations is to be understood as a fall-back style, not necessarily as "the style associated to [cite:...]". Anyway, I don't have a strong opinion about autocite being the default. If it makes sense and we can put \cite elsewhere, let's use that. Regards,