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In-Reply-To: <87a66ra45s.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Thu, 22 Sep 2022 22:13:03 +0800") Organization: GNU References: <871qs6ygmv.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkrasnla.fsf@localhost> <871qs6li9l.fsf@gnu.org> <874jx2wqgi.fsf@tec.tecosaur.net> <87czbq7ach.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsgmqu1h.fsf@localhost> <87r105xicb.fsf@localhost> <87a66ra45s.fsf@localhost> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2022 17:52:42 +0200 Message-ID: <87mtar2yph.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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It may work. I agree with Russell that we should first use the available resources, and our IRC chan on irc.libera.chat is a good one. (I'm actually there BTW, lurking - you can ping me anytime as I can read past messages, thanks to being connected with my sr.ht account.) But IMO there is an even stronger argument: in the case of Org, we should encourage discussions where both "users" and "developers" can chime in. Because many Org users are potential contributors. (This would not be the same with another Free Software project, of course.) If #org-mode can serve for both general questions and dev-oriented discussion it's good. If it becomes annoying for many readers, then setting up transient chans is okay (even on matrix), the same way it is okay to sit in a room and hack/discuss possible new Org features with peers. In general, Org contributors with push access can fix bugs directly, without announcing this on the mailing list. But *all other changes* should be submitted and discussed on this mailing list. -- Bastien