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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1663900525; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=M6Q71pWRRI7bn/LsLBX4NXo/qDkedx5Rml65rao/NrQ=; b=th67gQTTAfQvenqs2ZIQBICte31ge96iRsx7WgtCxBSuxx2kEfbsyxnWHbKEfWtwlgA2eq QjObPrzYBohqMYDB+q1AtUdTdRxnEic2KFNZVaA+8aEh5fglYXpSepmlDC71L5T5pwLDX+ mGNKntmUPu6M6WmxmhIpmoxcx9O6gnp4T3KSfd1x0dUclHoPed4XSm5Nb38RQtk5HGRlVV vLwmS5N60calo0ATNOVKtBDCnA9KAz0otGZxtooWzARIC8tpXYxd0/ADQnxXOAjRm+AUAJ NDy4uw2MMDpIEPEtRA3JSK3vHogFofOq6RCDaIkrZWBgkuZDqg9Q15fHYc7EoA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1663900525; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=jYtsCB8NkKbgjljM9luOXZswp0884uygm42U2iVNVEPaFoVQCLWp+OsFVQTHh6PCCH6uRO 7cQlB6MEq9+fZAb+UTWWYhL+omHWsLznWkRrrQ5OpSgYptRFTKJ3jYdQFOr/LqB+4k46zl 4DylmU1q1xvm02ruDu7Z+ki7xCUoFdXc3GlBDFhkX8tSemVYj6bS0egc1vBLg1G+OxxwMA mjKr+QP2tyt+0D/6V7amU7bH9XU1UCJqjvtZCeZrZVsl6sQxjJCm0RSs4YACOMX2WeKml7 dZZj9N9QCxLYLwYIN4BeFg8FahrZ/VSV6g7ByM2N0nxqhHSjEEJLHwBzHC+YDg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=A1j+U0lL; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.85 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=A1j+U0lL; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 64EF839448 X-Spam-Score: -0.85 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: HQ6td1hpGCER Bastien writes: > But IMO there is an even stronger argument: in the case of Org, we > should encourage discussions where both "users" and "developers" can > chime in. Because many Org users are potential contributors. (This > would not be the same with another Free Software project, of course.) Indeed. IM is mostly meant for quick brainstorming, which cannot be done in a reasonable time frame on ML. It worked quite nicely in communication between me and TEC. > If #org-mode can serve for both general questions and dev-oriented > discussion it's good. If it becomes annoying for many readers, then > setting up transient chans is okay (even on matrix), the same way it > is okay to sit in a room and hack/discuss possible new Org features > with peers. Agree. > In general, Org contributors with push access can fix bugs directly, > without announcing this on the mailing list. But *all other changes* > should be submitted and discussed on this mailing list. Sure. It is always nice to have historical records on why certain decisions have been made. -- Ihor Radchenko, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at https://orgmode.org/. 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